Bebo
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The perpetrator of the most recent incident was named Adrian and he was born in Kent.What we need is far better Border controls and immigration selection.
The perpetrator of the most recent incident was named Adrian and he was born in Kent.What we need is far better Border controls and immigration selection.
Precisely, we continue to treat the effect and not the cause. Did we have so much Islamic terrorism pre US led invasions of the ME ? You reap what you sow as the saying goes and I don't say so glibly because it has affected me personally in far more negative ways that it ever hopefully would most of us.The much bigger, and more thorny issue is getting to the 'why'. Why do so many people feel so disenfranchised from the norms of our society that they feel that violence is the only answer, whether its jihad, or gangs, or drug-related crime or just glassing each other on a Friday night in a small town?
He was also 52, and from Kent - so is Nigel Farage.I agree with what you are saying,the root of our problems is certain people feel the need to conmmit these deeds for their religious beliefs,the point I was trying to make is,if police officers feel they cannot arm themselves,are they capable to do their job in that situation.It was armed officers who dealt with the matter quickly and efficiently which resulted in no lost of life to the public or officers.
I think we're agreeing. Arm the right cops, shoot the right bad guys. Totally agree.
My point is that the problem is much bigger than buying a load of guns. It's much more about a general propensity to violence, not just religious 'inspired', but in all streams. We no longer seem to have the capacity for sensible debate, some people head directly to violence without passing go or collecting £200.
2 minutes ago, Bebo said:
The perpetrator of the most recent incident was named Adrian and he was born in Kent.
Not only that but there are also numerous examples of dare I say it, white Christian terrorism in our world which are routinely dismissed as mere crime. Some of it is dressed as Freedom and Democracy in fact .The perpetrator of the most recent incident was named Adrian and he was born in Kent.
I agree you don't see that many policeman walking around anymore, they are distant and unknown. Back in the day you knew your local bobby and he knew you and you didn't cross a line with him and he would be lenient when he considered it appropriate otherwise he'd be on to your parents. We don't know our police anymore, we've dehumanised them and they have been removed from our communities. Once upon a time a bobby knew his locals personally, the element of mutual respect is diminishing. The last two policeman I met was in a hospital as they took evidence from my friend's son after he had been beaten up. They had to take a dna swab with a new kit which they had not been shown how to use - I had to give them instructions on how to use it.As an old person I remember a time when police officers spent most of their time out in public and operated from buildings called (for the benefit of those under 40) Police Stations. Every town and city district had a police station and many villages had a police house where the local 'Bobby' lived. Policing was largely pro-active, but if an incident occurred, reponse times were usually very quick.
Nowadays Glos police are based in a fairly nondescript building on a trading estate, miles away from any towns, from where they function as a sort of paramilitary response force, racing around the county when called upon, sirens screaming, even for a cat stuck up a tree. Someone remarked on Saturday afternoon recently that it was like living in a war zone - and I'm talking about Stroud here, not some inner city sink estate riddled with drug dealers and knife crime. Here's a question: When was the last time you saw a uniformed police officer who wasn't in a vehicle or working at an event of some kind.
Despite the fact that there are roughly twice as many officers as 50 years ago and 10 times as many non-uniformed staff, the police are so bogged down with beaurocracy, paperwork, fear of making mistakes, political correctness and criticism from both the press and public that they can't (or won't) do the job the public wants them to do.
I'd like to see more visibility from the police, more local 'Bobbies' who know the bad lads around the area rather than more gung ho ARU types. They will never resolve the problems with people like Adrian by simply responding to an attack that's already started, guns or no guns.
So no, I don't think they should all be armed but I do think they should be much more visible.
Funny that you don't often hear about people going on a shooting spree or mowing people down with cars in the cause of Atheism.Not only that but there are also numerous examples of dare I say it, white Christian terrorism in our world which are routinely dismissed as mere crime. Some of it is dressed as Freedom and Democracy in fact .
true that!!Funny that you don't often hear about people going on a shooting spree or mowing people down with cars in the cause of Atheism.
I am not religious although I was brought up as a Christian but we live in a democracy so therefore religious freedom has to be allowed. In any event if there were no religions you would still have nutters who would carry out horrible crimes in something or other's name.true that!!
also you don't hear of people doing the same in the name of the tooth fairy..... no reason to not believe in her (or him) if you believe in a monotheistic god or polytheistic for that matter
ban religion in any form, it has no place in society.
brilliant post ?Funny that you don't often hear about people going on a shooting spree or mowing people down with cars in the cause of Atheism.
i tend to agree, at least in any formal way such as catholicism. Believe what you want but dont hark on about it when it is in reality merely a theory either you made up or you are following the theories of others.true that!!
also you don't hear of people doing the same in the name of the tooth fairy..... no reason to not believe in her (or him) if you believe in a monotheistic god or polytheistic for that matter
ban religion in any form, it has no place in society.
I think religion should be treated in the same way as a tinky-winky. I have no problem with you having one, it's fine for you to be proud of it, it's only if you try to shove it in my face that I have a problem. :wink:I am a confirmed pragmatic agnostic, verging on apathetic agnostic but it doesn't bother me one bit what other folk believe in as long as they don't try to "convert" others to there theories.
They are one of the worst - homophobic, misogynistic - I would be very sceptical of giving them ANY money ever. See here for a catalogue of their anti LGBT activities.11 minutes ago, ips said:
yes and your soul will be saved as a direct result of your donation.....apparently.
incidentally I have been known to give to the salvation army purely because they actually get on the front line (so to speak) and help those folk that all the gods have let down. People of all ages and gender who for reasons many of us cannot even imagine end up living on the streets whilst warm church halls remain unused and imigrants are housed. Don't even get me started on single parents playing the benefit game ?
sorry slight thread drift
You win the internet today. well done!16 minutes ago, Bebo said:
I think religion should be treated in the same way as a tinky-winky. I have no problem with you having one, it's fine for you to be proud of it, it's only if you try to shove it in my face that I have a problem. :wink:
I'm not particularly religious, but like most people (I'm guessing) I was given the usual religious upbringing, of a sort. But never get carried away with the idea that if you removed religion there would be no nutters around ready to die for some obscure cause. There'll always be causes people will commit acts of terror for and lots of them will have no connection with religion. Baader Meinhof, the Bolshevik Revolution etc. spring to mind. In the latter case millions died. But, as wiser people than me have observed before, one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter - and there's the difficulty.Funny that you don't often hear about people going on a shooting spree or mowing people down with cars in the cause of Atheism.
Very topical in light of yesterday's funeral!one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter
I'd not give them that much credit. What they do have is a lack of inhibition and seemingly low survival instincts.AND what many forget is that criminals and terrorists will always plan accordingly.
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