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Strangely enough my first thought when I first heard the rumours weeks ago was why don't S.C. simply buy the farmers field that has the lead pollution problem.

With response to the above quote, the club probably can't afford the land and secondly the farmer would have to want to sell it. When i last checked they'd stopped making land anymore so the farmer probably has no intention of selling it and is also not very amused at someone else polluting his fields with lead! As we all know health, safety and the environment legislation have come on a fair amount in the last few years. I'm affraid its not just a case of "we want to buy your field, sell us it" he has to agree to sell it first, then he's going to want a kings ransome in return.

I do hope it gets sorted and the cpsa should have got involved to help negotiate a way around this problem. Like others have said though maybe its a conveniant excuse to make a better living from the land, its a shame but thats how things work!
I don't think that the owners of Southern Counties have any lack of money but are probably not prepared to invest any more in to a white elephant. I still think that the owners probably want to see a return for their investment, who wouldn't, and that this is probably the underlying reason for their proposal.

As we are not privy to their private affairs we can of course only speculate.

 
I am a farmer...I know farmers can be THE most awkward bam pots in the world!!!

 
Though half the reason the hotel was built was to add to the experience that is Southern Counties shooting ground? View of acres of bright shiny panels hardly appeals.

 
I had a mail from our OT skipper this morning and apparently the owner of SC has indeed applied for planning permission to change the use of the land, in other words from a shooting ground to a solar panel farm! If he gets permission and the ground closes, it will mean that there is no trap or skeet shooting available in Dorset at all. So it would be a great loss to local shooters and also to the sport in general. There is a local CPSA committee meeting tonight apparently and the matter will be up for discussion by all accounts.

Maybe Peter Wilson could have a word with some of those rich Arabs so as to see if they could buy the ground, and maybe even the adjoining land as well. Such a cost would probably be peanuts to the Arabs anyhow! For most of us, the nearest OT ground would be up at Cheddar, which is a fair treck of course, the same may also apply to the skeet shooters. My nearest trap ground would be Axminster, but they only have DTL and ABT as far as I know and they only shoot once a fortnight on a Saturday. So at the moment it does not exactly look very good unfortunately. The local authorities down here are well into alternative enegy and the like, so there may be a very good chance that SC will get permission for change of use. :no:

 
Let us know the outcome Les. Fingers crossed .As you say I think most local authorities are in to alternative energy and definitely not pro shooting. Has any one spoken to Peter Wilson about it? Some one with his credentials can only benefit any campaign to keep it open. You never know his Arab friends might be prepared to help.

 
Let us know the outcome Les. Fingers crossed .As you say I think most local authorities are in to alternative energy and definitely not pro shooting. Has any one spoken to Peter Wilson about it? Some one with his credentials can only benefit any campaign to keep it open. You never know his Arab friends might be prepared to help.
I did hear somewhere that Peter allegedly said that if SC were to close he would not have anywhere to practice and would have to give up!!! But I really cannot believe that to be honest, he can just nip off to the desert and shoot out there with his Arab mates. From a business point of view, if there's more money in solar panels than there is in shooting, well you can't really blame the owners of SC for wanting a load of solar panels, even though we shooters won't like it. 

 
I did hear somewhere that Peter allegedly said that if SC were to close he would not have anywhere to practice and would have to give up!!! But I really cannot believe that to be honest, he can just nip off to the desert and shoot out there with his Arab mates. From a business point of view, if there's more money in solar panels than there is in shooting, well you can't really blame the owners of SC for wanting a load of solar panels, even though we shooters won't like it. 
Unfortunately what you say is very true Les. If grounds can not be run profitably then they will close and eventually all that we will be left with are the small clubs owned and operated by their members.

As for Peter Wilson I know that he can and does go to the UAE a lot but it must still be very useful having a training ground right on his doorstep.

 
Unfortunately what you say is very true Les. If grounds can not be run profitably then they will close and eventually all that we will be left with are the small clubs owned and operated by their members.

As for Peter Wilson I know that he can and does go to the UAE a lot but it must still be very useful having a training ground right on his doorstep.
Roger, I don't know if it's just me, but it almost seems as though member owned clubs seem to be a rare breed these days.  In some ways it could be better to have clubs owned and run by the members, but I have no idea how many member owned clubs there actually are out there. The cost of starting and operating a club with such things as OT, OS, UT etc would be vast I would imagine!

 
Roger, I don't know if it's just me, but it almost seems as though member owned clubs seem to be a rare breed these days.  In some ways it could be better to have clubs owned and run by the members, but I have no idea how many member owned clubs there actually are out there. The cost of starting and operating a club with such things as OT, OS, UT etc would be vast I would imagine!
We have a few in Kent Les but all Sporting ones. I don't know of any that would be able to afford to put in the trap disciplines with the possible exception of ABT and DTL where the traps could be used for sporting at a push.

These smaller clubs are the ones who put in the real effort regarding targets etc. and at prices around the £20 per 100 mark are very popular.

 
Surely if it does come to a change of direction for SC then the owners would also want to maximise his capital release and offer to sell on all of the associated gear, this should provide some opportunity for a large sporting ground to invest and support the future of our sport in the south.

 
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Surely if it does come to a change of direction for SC then the owners would also want to maximise his capital release and offer to sell on all of the associated gear, this should provide some opportunity for a large sporting ground to invest and support the future of our sport in the south.
Yes Graham , they may well want to do that. However we are not really short of sporting shoots in the South West in general. BUT...there is a distinct lack of good trap and skeet shooting down here. We would be losing what surely amounts to a world class ground, taking away all skeet and trap shooting from Dorset. So skeet and trap shooters would need to travel to other counties to shoot. Sporting is well catered for in most parts of the country, but the Olympic disciplines are not, yet we hear all this noise about wanting to bring on the future Olympic shooters and about the so called Olympic Legacy! Well since the last Olympics I have heard of at least two grounds who have shut down some form of Olympic layout, or may shut it down. If grounds are to help the future Olympic shooters, maybe the UK Olympic mob and the other quangos should come up with some cash to help ground owners to install and/or run such Olympic layouts!

 
Is a solar or whatever the eyesores are really called a business though.They have appeared all over place and once installed and generating "power" there seems no call for anyone (thats people) to actually work?

Put them on roofs of domestic and commercial building where appropriate by all means but to have swathes of countryside "glazed" over by these things please no.

 
Is a solar or whatever the eyesores are really called a business though.They have appeared all over place and once installed and generating "power" there seems no call for anyone (thats people) to actually work?

Put them on roofs of domestic and commercial building where appropriate by all means but to have swathes of countryside "glazed" over by these things please no.
I think the large scale units do have people to look after the things, but what they actually do and what the amount of labour is, well you guess is as good as mine mate!

 
The pending / assumed closure of SC is another nail in the coffin for shooting. I predict within ten years we could all be shooting at straw bailers as they will be the only grounds / clubs left. it is a sad sad state of affairs for british clay shooting. Surely something can be done to save it, i thought only the bottom layout was effected by the shot fall issue ?

 
The pending / assumed closure of SC is another nail in the coffin for shooting. I predict within ten years we could all be shooting at straw bailers as they will be the only grounds / clubs left. it is a sad sad state of affairs for british clay shooting. Surely something can be done to save it, i thought only the bottom layout was effected by the shot fall issue ?
Well it looks as though there is more there than meets the eye Ian. Maybe the owners looked what they make from shooting, looked at what could be made from solar panels and offset it all against the potential costs involved in a court case and thought...those solar panels look bloody good! You could be right about straw balers, little DTL clubs in muddy fields with a battery powered trap and five paving slabs to stand on and a little lad on the button. BUT...at least it would still be trap shooting! Who knows if it can be saved, only the owner by the look of it. It will be a very sad day for clay shooting if we were to lose such a ground.

 
, little DTL clubs in muddy fields with a battery powered trap and five paving slabs to stand on and a little lad on the button. BUT...at least it would still be trap shooting!
Be like the old days pal, :)

 
The pending / assumed closure of SC is another nail in the coffin for shooting. I predict within ten years we could all be shooting at straw bailers as they will be the only grounds / clubs left. it is a sad sad state of affairs for british clay shooting. Surely something can be done to save it, i thought only the bottom layout was effected by the shot fall issue ?
As I've already said I think there's a lot more to it than that. I've just heard a rumour that the hotel is being sold off to one of the chains.

We have a big solar panel farm at Richborough next to where the old power station was, there do appear to be a few people working there but not many.

 
Yeah but we are all too old now for standing in a field in the rain and the wind. 

I like me comfy shelters you see :)

 
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