Vintage Weekly - Release Triggers

[Jim Wheeler]

I was a bit slack at geography,, but Andorra la vella is 1000m high,  not enough to cause brain damage anyway,,

this thread may help to understand  release trigger, (not `trigger`s`)

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=96&t=208732

 

[Shaun Hopkins]

3000 metres you say.......... 

(Ninja mode - Naughty mind - stop it naughty girl).

:laugh:   :laugh: Ear muffs, eye protection, Oxygen mask proper hardcore Fitasc.. :swoon:

 

[shootinguru]

:fie:  Actually I told a porky?  the shoot at La Rabbasa in Andorra was held at probably 2500 metres as the highest peak in Andorra is  just under 3000 metres! but it was on the very top of the mountain ask anyone who was there! :crazy:

 

[shootinguru]

This post is for Wanko and Nicola.

I first came upon Derek Partridge at the old Blandford & Dorchester G.C. between 1968-70.

That is where I first saw a set of release triggers for a perazzi, never liked them and still don't ! thatswhere I found out how they worked so I am ahead of you two by a few years! 

I have a perazzi release trigger assembly in my gun cabinet from the 70's that I removed from a gun that I had in my gunshop in the 80's (replaced by a standard set before I sold the gun! ( I am not a hypocrite)

My gripe is not so much with the trappies as with the Fitasc Sporting shooters who as I described before can be asked to stand on rocks and complete a 180 degree turn whilst shooting doubles

End of lesson! ilot:  

 

[** Pending Removal **]

Oh you do make me laugh Guru :laugh: :laugh:

No need to post to me :laugh: i understand you are as scared of R's as I am autos.

But i still think you do not understand the use of the R's. :wink:

Nursey will be along soon to give you your doom milk for tonight.......Pssssst.....she will have something special in it.....just saying......might help you sleep well and not get nightmares...... :nurse:

 

[Wonko the Sane]

A bit of a ponce, eh?  Seems to not have hindered him much in his shooting.  Maybe better to be a ponce than a twit.  The several times I've spoken with him he was as nice a person as you could want.  Last time he even dug a trigger scale out of his car to check if I might need some work done there.  Well into that "perfectly lovely person" range that I'm struggling to attain.

Anyone got any idea where guru would fall in that range?  Just curious, donchano

JIC you need the info

Derek's background: I had won some county (state) and area championships at DTL (Down-the-Line), the English equivalent of 16-yard ATA, before I shot in my first Olympic Trench event, the 1958 Grand Prix of Paris, where I scored a dismal 59/100 and only two shooters were below me! I vowed never to shoot DTL/ATA again--after fulfilling my first ambition--to get into the England DTL Team, which I did, placing 4th among the 30-member English Team in the match between England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales. After that, I only shot Bunker and, in 1972 returned to Paris, when I won the Grand Prix, reversing my initial 59/100 to 95/100… I felt I had "graduated"! I became a member of three British Teams: International Trap (bunker), FITASC Universal Trench and ISSF Automatic Trap (wobble trap) at which I shot the first 100/100 and set a (then) world record of 193/200 at the 1973 Nordic Championships in Denmark. I was the founder and first Chairman of the British International Board (today’s British International Clay Target Shooting Federation), Vice Chairman and a Life Vice President of the English Clay Pigeon Shooting Association. I’ve coached shooters and instructors in several countries and written over 100 articles in English, American and European shooting magazines.

 

[** Pending Removal **]

Those were the days.... :wink:

CBB in the centre of Paris ....what a club......I was also lucky enough to have shot there for a few years before the lefty Mayor closed it down..!

Loved all the old history.....the splendour .....the bar.....the very nice people.

Tragic that it is gone now........

 

[shootinguru]

Wonko, I never said that the guy could'ent shoot!   He was a two bit actor who played a cop in black and white tv. 

He ponced about as if he was Mick Jagger, l but I still hate release trigger assembly's :fie:

 

[** Pending Removal **]

Wonko, I never said that the guy could'ent shoot!   He was a two bit actor who played a cop in black and white tv. 

He ponced about as if he was Mick Jagger, I always thought he was of the other persuision, maybe I'm wrong? but I still hate release trigger assembly's :fie:

Libel alert.......just saying..!!

 

[jwpzx9r]

Look can we not just agree that what suits one shooter does not suit another ? Also as a side note many tens of shooters a accidently shot in France every year... quite a few are killed... I don't think a single one of those accidents is caused by a release trigger being used! Even using a release trigger a  loaded gun should always be pointing in a safe direction so again in my book an accident involving a release trigger should be no more likely than one caused by a conventional trigger. As I see it its not the pulling or releasing of the trigger but where the gun is pointing that causes accidents!

 

[shootinguru]

Having shot in France and hunted I am not in the slightest supprised at how many fatality's there are?

Your last sentence says it all, If you shot Parcours de Chasse you would know that in France its favorite to shoot doubles with a 180 degree turn around during said double.

 

[CharlesP]

Not a high level shooter at all, nor have I actually shot with a release trigger. 

A normal trigger has been evolved over the centuries to fire a shot when pulled or squeezed at the moment of intention to fire. The shooter knows that he or she will discharge the weapon at that instant.

A release trigger merely activates the mechanism. A later release discharges the weapon. A bit like taking the pin out of a grenade. In fact almost exactly analagous.

A bystander has no way of knowing if the thing is live or not, in a manner reminiscent of, but far more dangerous than, the observations made about the uncertainties around semi-autos. 

I join others in applauding and encouraging the participation of shooters with various challenges, but release triggers are not, in my view, the way to go.

 

[bostonmick]

My understanding of release triggers is that you would face the shooting direction of the first bird with trigger pulled call for the bird then release upon which the trigger is now the same as a normal trigger then you turn to shoot your second bird.at no time would the gun be pointing in the direction of any people whilst the trigger was in the first stage of activation.under clay ground rules and conditions i fail to see how they are any more dangerous than a standard unit.And yes I shoot with two people who use them.

 

[no.1topdog]

When this subject came up first time around I made my views known, views which are based in fact and hands-on experience of the release trigger. I make no apology for coming out against their use in any situation where I am close at hand, and will actively walk away if I am aware of one in use. If you had seen the errors that can happen (like I have) you may well do the same. This is my choice. You do what you want.

I like to think shooting is as safe a sport as it can be considering the nature of the equipment we use. To increase the danger in any way, I see as a retrograde step and should be discouraged.

To make an analogy, it would be like the F1 Drivers Association voting for drivers to use cork helmets or maybe even a leather flying hat and goggles, like they used to do, you know, in the old days when all those drivers died. I can't see this happening because the sport is dangerous enough already.

Please see below a paragraph taken from the article by Derek Partridge as mentioned by the original poster (Mortum).

"I want to stress another safety consideration. At most gun clubs there are often many identical, mass-produced guns and there is the danger a shooter may pick up someone else's gun fitted with a release trigger. When it fails to fire as the unsuspecting shooter pulls the trigger, the gun is likely to go off as he lowers it from his shoulder to see what went wrong. The gun could then give him a nasty kick in his chest, waist or groin. For this reason, I think it is imperative for all release trigger makers and converters to mark every gun fitted with a release trigger with a universally agreed-upon, tastefully designed sticker incorporating a red lightning bolt and the words “Release Trigger”. To emphasize this vitally important point, the situation described above once happened at a hand-thrown pigeon shoot with fatal results to the thrower."

I was there when something like this happened once, thankfully not resulting in a death, but it was a hell of a mess. Maybe my opinion is flawed, but I know which side of the gun I like to remain, and to have added complication which may compromise safety is not a fashion worth following.

Good luck with your choice if you decide you need one of these. Or maybe I should say good luck to those around you.   :biggrin:

 

[ips]

From a trap perspective I have shot many times with shooters using RT and never experienced any problems or indeed felt that the user was in anyway unsafe. I can however see the potential issues with certain sporting targets / layouts.

 

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[shootinguru]

hew:  Has anyone ever wondered why no shotgun manufacturer  builds shotguns with release triggers?

Could it be anything to do with litigation? :fie:  

 

[ips]

I may be wrong but I seem to remember that kriegof do, to order of course.

 

[Rosso]

No such gun with that name.

There is a Berretatatata made in India.

How ever if you ment Krieghoff.

The trigger pulls are so good they un-freeze any frozen finger and trigger is also heated.

 

[ips]

Heated trigger you say now that my friend is worthy of a dragon's den pitch.