Schmokinn there are quite a few ladies I know who started out with the groups we are discussing and are now flying the nest so to speak. They are attending registered and championships on their own or as squads so it's working. Albeit slowly. These groups are allowing them to get into a male dominated environment slowly with the knowledge in place to help them feel confident enough to fly solo. I'm not disputing the very real possibility of men feeling intimidated by the way or that shooters in general are welcoming and most would definitely not put a woman down for trying or being a novice but it's hard to convince someone of that when they've never shot a gun or been around shoots. If it takes the aforementioned groups to get them going then that's got to be a good thing.