Never tried a Zoli, but have owned quite a few Miroku's, yes the design is old and rather agricultural by modern standards, but they are without doubt one of the best guns on the planet. They are reliable, hold their value, easy and cheap to service and easy to repair if you should get any problems! Had my old Miroku 3800 for 23 years, sold it last year, it had never failed in any way at all in those 23 years!
Zoli or Miroku..which stays.
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Will Hewland
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I would say that if it's early days in your shooting, the gun is a small part of the equation, so do everything to keep spare cash for more practice and some lessons. When you can hit regularly 80% at decent sporting then decide if the gun is really not doing what you want (unlikely). Possible new gun decision at that stage.
Beware changing guns at all. It can mess your head up! (Spoken by one who is a living example..)
Beware changing guns at all. It can mess your head up! (Spoken by one who is a living example..)
So..... OK Will, what's happening then? I noticed you are now using a borrowed Blaser. What happend to the Perazzi and the DT11 then?
Will Hewland
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The short answer:
*Changed gun last summer while on decent form to try and get that small step forward.
*Form dropped, but stuck with it for a good while to ensure change period had fully kicked in.
*After 4000 shells, decided it just wasn't a step forward. Decent but a slight step back overall.
*Tried old P gun. Feels SO weird now. Can't hit barn door with it. Would need to do massive practice period to readjust.
*Picked up borrowed Blaser, which instantly feels promising. Easy to steer. Early days scores not good, but there are differences that just need learning over at least 1000 shells. Early days but feels like a way forward and will stick with it a little longer.
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Blimey, I thought it was only me that did that sort of thing!!!! :laugh: I know exactly what you mean Will, been there so many times mate. It seems to often take a long while to get used to some guns, but others feel like you've owned them forever after only 50 shells! Good luck with the Blaser, hope you settle with it.
shootinguru
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:fie: You are all looking for the "Magic" gun that nevers misses? Its like the women looking for a knight in shining armour?
Neither exists! :hunter:
Neither exists! :hunter:
Will go back to the Perazzi and persist with it, it after all got you to your good run of form in the first place. I am slightly in a different place I have had a run of a few weeks of poor form but I know it is not the gun everything feels fine I am just not breaking the targets. I will persist with the Perazzi and bounce back, never even thought about using the Browning.
Rosso
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I feel for you, been there a while myself, at least you are in AA. It sounds more like a confidence thing to me.
You have lost confidence in the guns. Every gun you pick up you 'cannot hit a barn door with' feeling. You need to rebuild this. You are lucky to be shooting some of the finest guns ever made, there is a lot or rubbish out there that people swear by.
You have to find that forever gun forget the new gun hype and stick with it.
My scores are not brilliant with the K, but they are getting better missing some stupidly easy targets as on Sunday, but every time I pull that trigger it puts a smile on my face.
I cannot get anything better, so it is me, as in your case, it is probably you.
Just saying.
Paul120
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+1
Bloke won an OT world cup with a Miroku one last year..
Might look like an old design..But most of them are. Just Marketing and Fashion makes you think otherwise.
Will Hewland
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Spot on. Now I'm holding a decent gun, not weird, just a normal bit of kit that shoots where I point. Rebuild my head. When I have a poor shoot (and it's been often lately) I write it up for myself to analyse. Every stand, result, reason for missing, look for a pattern. After last time, I did this and my conclusion line was "Stop shooting like a knob". The plan is clear. De-knob myself. This starts tomorrow!
I would get that Zoli advertised NOW, especially if you want the cash for Christmas.
Just out of interest, what makes the Miroku so much better? I own both and while I can see the difference in build quality between say the Miroku and a Browning Medalist, for example, I can't see why between the Miroku and Zoli? It's fit and finish is easily on par with the Miroku. I'm just as critical as anyone when something is not up to scratch but the Zoli is.
Is it just the name?
It could well be a marketing thing, I wouldn't have bought an CG Invictus but my son loves his, it's no better than the Zoli in my eyes but they have pitched their play at the market just right and manage to snatch a good sector of the market from the big players. Could be a bit like Skoda, when I was a kid they were a joke...Reinvented by VW and new generation of buyers who don't have old brand loyalty and suddenly a success.
Wonko the Sane
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Absolutely! My Perazzis have as well never missed a target tho I have managed to wrest them away from certain kills numerous times.Tinker bell said:
and I can't imagine have to adjust to any gun. If it needs adjusting to rather than simple adjusting it's the wrong gun
So, Cockney21, if you're not gonna shoot the Zoli and find out if it is the gun for you, how can you possibly make a rational decision about a keeper?
PhilR
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Rosso
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A friend of mine drove his Skoda off a cliff - it hit the bolders - bounced off a ledge - fell 200mtrs - then hit the ground and burst into flames and exploded. I ran down to see him walking away. I said " are you ok" he said " yes fine - I wouldn't be seen dead in a Skoda".
PhilR
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PhilR
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I will try to answer the original question.
A gun sold by a manufacturer or agent to any private individual is instantly second hand , even if has never been fired.It can be described as new and unfired , but it is still second hand.
Edgar Bros are the Zoli UK distributor responsible for sales and servicing.
Beckie Mackenzie shoots a Zoli, young Phil Bailey and Taylor Hedgecock, so they are gaining in popularity, but not being bought or sold????
The Miroku may be a very old design , but if it aint broke why fix it?
As I have pointed out numerous times the MK38 Grade 5 Trap has recently been re-designed, re-badged and re-named a Parcour.
Finally to avoid any confusion on shootingguru and Maxum's part Miroku have been around since the sixties and may be seen around the early seventies in Shropshire.
Cockney Rebel , you do what your head and your heart tells you to do.
You will sell the Miroku easily for good money and you may well love the Zoli , but please do not over value a Zoli wether you are keeping or selling.
A gun sold by a manufacturer or agent to any private individual is instantly second hand , even if has never been fired.It can be described as new and unfired , but it is still second hand.
Edgar Bros are the Zoli UK distributor responsible for sales and servicing.
Beckie Mackenzie shoots a Zoli, young Phil Bailey and Taylor Hedgecock, so they are gaining in popularity, but not being bought or sold????
The Miroku may be a very old design , but if it aint broke why fix it?
As I have pointed out numerous times the MK38 Grade 5 Trap has recently been re-designed, re-badged and re-named a Parcour.
Finally to avoid any confusion on shootingguru and Maxum's part Miroku have been around since the sixties and may be seen around the early seventies in Shropshire.
Cockney Rebel , you do what your head and your heart tells you to do.
You will sell the Miroku easily for good money and you may well love the Zoli , but please do not over value a Zoli wether you are keeping or selling.
