Zoli or Miroku..which stays.

[Hamster]

I know over the years Zoli was always a producer of guns aimed at the bottom end of the market,is this the reason for the dislike

expressed here for the Kronos etc ?

I`ve looked at the sporter and they seem to handle nicely etc but have never shot one.

Are they unreliable? I`ve heard quite a few horror stories about other fairly pricey Italian clay guns,are Zoli the same ?

There's very little wrong with the guns, they need a face lift and proper thought in segment placement V price V brand awareness V name kudos etc. 

You don't see m(any) Koenigsegg hypercars because they are too expensive for an unknown quantity and as yet not as established as other hyper cars, even the idle rich aren't fools.

You can't jump into a market at the quality end without first paying your dues at the starter end. No way round this little business secret in any market be it cars, watches, restaurants, clothes, etc etc. Zoli haven't got a bad product problem, they have a child like marketing grasp.

 

[cockney21]

Same gun with Miroku/Berreta/Browning name stamped on the side they would have flown off the shelf...or do as CG and make sure you get out there and promote your product with events at shooting grounds and web TV articles.

I spoke to someone who was involved in the import before Edgar Bros took over and said they were very good guns and very good build quality.

 

[PhilR]

I also think the problem is we often get the low end of these manufacturer's ranges imported and not their quality stuff. There is a following for Zoli trap guns in Italy, they haven't got the big names shooting them in the ISSF world because of the politics with FITAV and sponsors so they shoot Perazzi or Beretta.

 

[Fortis Mark]

There's very little wrong with the guns, they need a face lift and proper thought in segment placement V price V brand awareness V name kudos etc. 

You don't see m(any) Koenigsegg hypercars because they are too expensive for an unknown quantity and as yet not as established as other hyper cars, even the idle rich aren't fools.

You can't jump into a market at the quality end without first paying your dues at the starter end. No way round this little business secret in any market be it cars, watches, restaurants, clothes, etc etc. Zoli haven't got a bad product problem, they have a child like marketing grasp.

Zoli should send their Marketing peeps to BMW for some work experience.  BMW probably have the best marketing department in the world.  Most BMW drivers are aghast, and lost for words when their car breaks down, eagerly wanting to get back to the dealership to complain "Its a BMW! BMW's don't break down, i insist on seeing the Dealer Principal..."   Great marketing, brainwashed...  anyway i digress

I think you should have both checked for fit, shoot them both, then make a decision and learn to shoot the gun you keep.  Good luck with it and have fun.

 

[Garwood]

There's very little wrong with the guns, they need a face lift and proper thought in segment placement V price V brand awareness V name kudos etc. 

You don't see m(any) Koenigsegg hypercars because they are too expensive for an unknown quantity and as yet not as established as other hyper cars, even the idle rich aren't fools.

You can't jump into a market at the quality end without first paying your dues at the starter end. No way round this little business secret in any market be it cars, watches, restaurants, clothes, etc etc. Zoli haven't got a bad product problem, they have a child like marketing grasp.

So is a new Kronos 32" Sporter a good gun for £2k ?

I really liked the handling/feel of it but read a lot of negative comments without anyone saying what`s wrong.

 

[Hamster]

So is a new Kronos 32" Sporter a good gun for £2k ?

I really liked the handling/feel of it but read a lot of negative comments without anyone saying what`s wrong.

It's a super gun for that kind of money, I owned a used version a few years ago and it was lovely to shoot, the OP's gun is now on Guntrader I believe at a good price although I personally will only ever buy 32" barrels.

The Kronos will benefit from different barrel/stock weight distribution and the Z needs minor plastic surgery; in truth the Z should simply not have even been launched (yet). 

What should have happened is a very cheap, no pretense £1100 starter upper coupled to a renamed and sorted Kronos without the detachable locks retailing for under £2k, exotically stocked and more engraved version offered for £3-£3.5 max.

30 years ago you may have been able to play the long game with getting established, today you can't, it simply HAS to be placed in winners hands. Look at CG, the clues and perfect executions are all there.

They didn't introduce the RF version in their first year of trading did they ? And who did they sign up ?  :asciidity:     It's either genius or bloody obvious depending on how you look at it.

 

[Garwood]

You`re correct about marketing,look what Beretta did in the 80`s.

 

[Dog Tyred]

Talk about poor marketing. If you check out the 'Wins' section of the Zoli website they haven't won anything since 2011!! Maybe they haven't?

Also no information about sponsored shooters.

Edgar Brothers website just as woeful. Not a word about young Taylor Hedgecock now being a sponsored shooter.

Missed opportunity me thinks?

DT

 

[Garwood]

At the end of the day we`re a tiny market for this sort of product,perhaps Zoli focus their marketing over the pond.