Another Renewal Problem

[Salopian]

I have spoken to BASC Firearms department and asked if they could contact Lincs Constabulary and point out thaty it is not currently a requirement in Law 

. The BASC spokesperson said that they were aware of several forces imposing their own interpretation of the law. This is not good enough, we including the Police should observe the Law not make it up as we go along.

 Write to the Chief Constable Vic and the Commissioner and express your concern at the tardy service that you are receiving also ask if you can have a section 7 immediately your licence expires . They do not like issuing section 7's as it is documentary evidence of the inefficiency of the Constabulary's firearms licencing department. I think your new certificate may well be issued forthwith.

 

[VicW]

The delay appears to be entirely down to the tardiness of the Doctor in replying to the request for a medical clearance.

As I said once before,if this medical thing is becoming more common place my own suspicions are that the Home office has had a quiet word with the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) to introduce it through the back door.

I have been told twice by the Lincs Firearms office that a Section 7 Exemption Certificate would be issued if my certificate is not renewed in time,I have no choice but to believe them.

Vic.

 

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I do not know how many times i have warned about 'Medical tagging' in the past. It is not currently law but it is not being jumped on by the shooting bodies quick enough.

Do not wait until it runs out Vic. You must write asking for a section 7 now...as Salop and i have said in the past and on here...they do not like issuing them...and they will shift your application through rather than issue one. There is no law or reason to delay issue waiting for a report from the doctor if you have not given any cause for concern...which i am sure you have not.

Get the letter sent now....do not wait.

 

[stroudwaterboy]

My wife is an administrator at the local medical centre, when I applied for my certificate it was when the first rumblings of the medical reports appeared on here and I asked her of course to keep an eye out if they sent one in for me. Her reply was she had never seen such a request, lo and behold they had one for me and she tells me that they are getting them regularly now. I personally do not think it is a bad thing but should not be by the back door.

If it goes to my doctor she currently has a 6 week backlog of paperwork!

 

[bostonmick]

on my last renew I was told by lincs police that they would ask my doctor for a report but this would be done after the cert was granted and if it came back unsatisfactory then they would act then and this was the norm in 2010 or so they said I wonder who changed this and was I a person in authority or just another job justification scheme.perhaps this is something that basc and cpsa should be jumping on without having to be asked to do so by single members.

 

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Ho hum.......sorry to say lack of knowledge again....but if i can help you.....

Both CPSA and BASC sit on BSSC (i used to be the CPSA director who sat on it)....it is the one that for years has been fighting the never ending war of keeping authorities within the firearms law and challenging any 'making it up as they go along' issues. Medical tagging being one of those. I can assure you that they are already on it and have been for years....who do you think reported to the Select Committee aabout this after Cumbria.

It saddens me that shooters in general are so ill informed....but that is probably because all the important things are classed as politics and therefore boring.... :wink: so people do not read them....hence when confronted with them personally....it is such a shock.

 

[bostonmick]

Ho hum.......sorry to say lack of knowledge again....but if i can help you.....

Both CPSA and BASC sit on BSSC (i used to be the CPSA director who sat on it)....it is the one that for years has been fighting the never ending war of keeping authorities within the firearms law and challenging any 'making it up as they go along' issues. Medical tagging being one of those. I can assure you that they are already on it and have been for years....who do you think reported to the Select Committee aabout this after Cumbria.

It saddens me that shooters in general are so ill informed....but that is probably because all the important things are classed as politics and therefore boring.... :wink: so people do not read them....hence when confronted with them personally....it is such a shock.

looking on your other post with the grant renewal form it says there that it is amendment 2013 and the medical declaration that you sign says your doctor will be asked for a medical report on you and your application will be judged partly on the information so do we take it then that this is now a full part of the process and we can all look forward to long waits and exemptions

 

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Can I suggest Boston.....that you contact either BSSC, BASC or failing them CPSA who I am sure can clear up any more questions you may have....on this subject.

The application has always had section where you allow 'the force' to contact your GP. This is different to medical tagging....which is what I was talking about.

 

[ips]

Maybe you could explain the difference nic.

Ta

 

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I will PM you.

 

[bostonmick]

Maybe you could explain the difference nic.

Ta

ah at last another of us mere mortals

 

[ips]

Indeed i am. But i know the answer will be correct.

 

[RobertBeard]

As far as I know the distinction is that by signing the consent on the FAC or Shotgun licence applications you are giving your authority for the police to consult your doctor if anything untoward comes up from your referees or is notified to police or you say that you have been on anti-depressants etc.

This consent is not supposed to be a carte blanche authority for the police to get a doctors report on everyone as a matter of course as this is not yet required by legislation prior to the grant of an FAC or a shotgun certificate.

 

[ips]

Sorry mick didnt mean that to sound the way it did when i read it. I just mean that nic knows her stuff i mean really knows her stuff.

 

[bostonmick]

I have no idea what medical tagging is as I suspect a lot of others on here also don't.

 

[ips]

I am sure nic will enlighten but probably tomorrow as she is prob off to bed now as early game shoot in the morning.

She will be back for full explanation.

 

[Jan Powell]

You won't get a section 7 from Lincolnshire.

 

[RobertBeard]

I have no idea what medical tagging is as I suspect a lot of others on here also don't.

Just found this on a bingle search!  Extract from BMA submission to Home Affairs Committee of Parliament

"TAGGING" MEDICAL RECORDS

  7.  Following a coronial inquiry into a firearms-related death, in 2009 the BMA was involved in discussions concerning the desirability of GPs placing electronic tags in medical records to indicate that the patient either held a firearm or shotgun certificate or had applied for one. In the BMA's view such an approach can be appropriate, provided it is used as part of the ordinary care given to a patient. Any such system must not, however, imply that the GP or practice has taken on particular obligations to monitor the threat presented by the patient.

 

[Salopian]

" You won't get a section 7 from Lincolnshire." 

Now that really is an interesting observation !

If you have applied for a certificate and it is delayed in renewal, it is a legal right to ask for a section 7 certificate and it should be issued forthwith. Constabularies are loathe to do so as it is documentary evidence which has to be recorded and reported to the Home Office. Whilst they are issuing a section 7 they could probably process your certificate. I do think that Lincolnshire residents do need to flag up the inefficiencies of G4S immediately.If in deed they are as bad as reported.

 

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+1

(I note you are up at this silly hour so presume you are on partridge as well.....?)