british skeet

[sarachambers]

So how does the clay hit the market peg then?

 

[alflan]

You put the nets up after you set the targets for the competition.

 

[Hawkeye]

Does anyone know who the Photographer on Sunday was ?

 

[Fuzrat]

So if the nets are up for ESK the target cant get to the distance marker. Then my original question stands, what were the refs calling if it hit the net without a shot fired? 

 

[alflan]

The markers are there to set the birds, if the target doesn't reach the marker during a shoot, it doesn't mean it's a no bird, it's at the refs discretion, two years ago at sc they didn't even make the end of the range in eo that's why didn't bother this time.

 

[snipey]

Out of interest, these O skeet nets. I am assuming they are there for the clay to hit, so they dont need to use line judges on OSK? How were the referees calling it if a target hit the net without being shot at? No target or target lost?

Would be a bit arsed off if I swung onto the second in a pair to nail it 3ft away from the distance marker only to see it hit the net and called loss  :fie:  Conversely, if you are not on it you could (if not as honest as would be expected) let it hit the net and claim a no bird  :spiteful:

It can be more luck than judgement if you shoot them late, Fuz!

I believe that if it hits the fence, it is generally marked as a loss!!?

So how does the clay hit the market peg then?

They these windows that open up in the centre of the fence

The nets are there to stop the clay going into the next range, as they are on a different trap spring and go a lot further.

True but I believe they are also use instead of line judges!?

 

[Fuzrat]

It can be more luck than judgement if you shoot them late, Fuz!

I believe that if it hits the fence, it is generally marked as a loss!!?

Indeed, it can be more luck than judgement but it is within the rules of ESK. That is my point, they are not playing to the CPSA rules for the discipline! OSK lost if shot past the trap house. ESK you can shoot it a foot off the deck by the distance marker if you wish. If they insist on leaving the fences up it should be a no target as something has stopped it travelling its full shootable distance.

 

[Lady cartridge]

If the clay hits the fence it's a loss as it is out of the range.
The fences at sc are centre of the houses and are used to stop missed clays going onto the other ranges
A skeet range is 36.8m between the high and low houses, if a clay is not shot before it passes the opposite trap house it's called a loss.
The clay must be shoot between the houses inside the 36.8 m.
The fences do not affect the distance as the distance markers are only used to set the targets up and to get the right speed
A lot of people shoot targets late on ranges that do not have these fences but if u check the rules it might be time to sharpen up your shooting xx

 

[Ferryman]

Your dead right on that one Fuz.

 

[Fuzrat]

If the clay hits the fence it's a loss as it is out of the range. The fences at sc are centre of the houses and are used to stop missed clays going onto the other ranges A skeet range is 36.8m between the high and low houses, if a clay is not shot before it passes the opposite trap house it's called a loss. The clay must be shoot between the houses inside the 36.8 m. The fences do not affect the distance as the distance markers are only used to set the targets up and to get the right speed A lot of people shoot targets late on ranges that do not have these fences but if u check the rules it might be time to sharpen up your shooting xx

Can you quote me where in CPSA booklet 7 "technical rules" for English skeet it says this?

 

[sarachambers]

It doesn't. Page 29 of the following shows the required trajectories.

https://www.cpsa.co.uk/userfiles/file/CPSA_Booklet_7.pdf

 

[chippy]

Its a good job these nets are not on the ranges I shoot on.the 2nd bird of every pair would be in them.

 

[Kentskeet]

Well I never shoot them that late, but I know a few who do... It says the clay should fly 50-52 metres, surely it's a legitimate target in ESK until it hits the ground ?

 

[sarachambers]

In contrast to the ENGLISH skeet rules, the OLYMPIC skeet rules are prescriptive as to the boundary. See attached (page 228)
http://www.issf-sports.org/documents/rules/2013/ISSFRuleBook2013-1st-ENG.pdf

 

[blaser f3]

Steel shot should be banned in ALL competition's

If this were the case we would immediately lose one of the oldest skeet grounds around (The Ferry) plus you would not be allowed to shoot in some European countries ...................so why ??

 

[Hawkeye]

I understand that a 28gm steel cartridge has a lot more pellet's than a 28gm lead cartridge . Unfair advantage . Should be a level playing field . 

 

[Kentskeet]

I understand that a 28gm steel cartridge has a lot more pellet's than a 28gm lead cartridge . Unfair advantage . Should be a level playing field .

I totally understand your point Bryan, but not using steel is an individual shooters choice... and as steel generally patterns tighter than lead it has no real advantage other than price.Also even if everyone was using lead its up to you if you use 24g/28g/ 9's 8's or 7.5's the pellet count still varies.

Edit as my brain can't think of too much stuff this early in the morning!

 

[NedFlanders]

I feel an e-mail to Nick Fellowes coming on I, like many others, travelled over 300 miles, paid £47 for the comp and more for overnight accommodation only to be dissappointed by the organisation at SC. Fair play to Henry who got a ton he did so under difficult weather conditions, but for us mere mortals the OSK fences I found were extremely off putting being right in line of most of my hold points, the dark bank behind low house on layout 6 made the bird impossible to see until much later than normal with a black clay, and on layout 5 the low bird was very flat and I am sure nowhere near the hoop. I then had to pay out another £44 for lead cartridges. Surely the CPSA should have sorted these issues out before Friday, I saw several CPSA officials there on Sunday but were they there on Friday before the comp started to check things like this.

If I write and complain will I even receive the courtesy of a reply!! 

 

[Guest]

It is very disturbing to me that Skeet Shooters are more concerned that someone may have a competitive edge by shooting steel, rather than being just slightly concerned about the FARCE that was the British open skeet.

I shoot steel at skeet! My choice because I feel less recoil. The fact is that if you're not putting the shot in the right place you're not going to hit it with any shell. Rather than looking what others are shooting people should be focusing on their own game.

If Skeet shooters are not prepared to put pen to paper and expess their outrage at their treatment last weekend, they may as well sell their Guns and take up Golf!! Its our sport and we need to protect it!

 

[Kentskeet]

I unfortunately or fortunately by the sounds of it didn't shoot this event! However I would be interested to know how squad members each day could assess the targets especially to see if the clays were making the marker pegs if the nets were up?