british skeet

[Hawkeye]

Simon , Steel was mentioned and I commented about it to provoke discussion , I couldn't care less what you shoot . As for writing a letter of complaint to the CPSA , I'm not a member of it so it's not my place to complain about how they do thing's . I'll leave that to other's who like making a noise

 

[Hawkeye]

Having shot the British Open Skeet yesterday I was looking for words to sum up the experience.

There were many words, most too rude to print on this forum.

It was a JOKE!!

In over 20 years of competitive shooting at all levels I've never seen a ground treat Skeet Shooters with such contempt.

3 members of the CPSA were in attendance and didn't have a clue about the setting up and rules (their rules) on English Skeet.

Whatever the dicipline, the shooters expect the rules to be followed and the correct shooting environment to be provided.

Not asking too much is it??

Your comment's are quite vague Simon , please tell us how shooter's were treated with contempt , which rules were not followed and what you mean by shooting environment . When people understand what exactly your bitching about you might get a reply .

 

[Guest]

I'm Sorry Bryan. From the agression you show I don't think you have anything interesting to share with me.

Those who shot at the weekend will know the issues, those who didn't won't!

I suggest that those people who want to be better shooters support the integrity of competition.

 

[Paul]

If the clay hits the fence it's a loss as it is out of the range.
The fences at sc are centre of the houses and are used to stop missed clays going onto the other ranges
A skeet range is 36.8m between the high and low houses, if a clay is not shot before it passes the opposite trap house it's called a loss.
The clay must be shoot between the houses inside the 36.8 m.
The fences do not affect the distance as the distance markers are only used to set the targets up and to get the right speed
A lot of people shoot targets late on ranges that do not have these fences but if u check the rules it might be time to sharpen up your shooting xx

You really should check your facts before making a statement - the rules are clear, a target that is shot in flight is a target scored, the length of the targets flight line is also defined in the rules. The failure of SC to remove the screens made it impossible for what should have been a properly run major championship to take place. The grounds assertion that the screens could not be taken down is of itself a clear confirmation that target setting was not undertaken prior to a major championship event - shameful and frankly just bloody lazy. If this place does stay open into the future it will not be getting my patronage as they clearly hold the shooters (their customers) in absolute contempt.

 

[Ferryman]

Well said Paul Southern Counties as all ways been the same. Because they have K. Newton on the CPSA Board they get away with it
I for one hope they get fine the £3 a shooter but how does that help the shooter it only serve for CPSA to make more money at the
Shooter expense.

 

[Hotshot100]

Well said Paul Southern Counties as all ways been the same. Because they have K. Newton on the CPSA Board they get away with it I for one hope they get fine the £3 a shooter but how does that help the shooter it only serve for CPSA to make more money at the Shooter expense.

It should be given back to the people that paid it in the first place.

 

[maddmatt]

So, the trophy went to Yorkshire? Less then 300 entrants, surely they should just hold all majors at Bisley, that way the CPSA staff will be able to find the ground.... :biggrin:

 

[Skeetfreak]

The only thing that surprises me is that this was not expected..

I last shot skeet at SC back in 2003 / 2004 and vowed back then i would never shoot there again - simply not worth the travel time, expense and hassle. We had exactly the same kinds of problems back then with poorly set targets, shocking weather conditions, guards, poor background on the bottom layout - so much so that the English Open SKD in 2004 only attracted 19 entries (over 50% of which were Warwickshire shooters) - now that is a poor turnout for a major shoot but its reputation was in tatters after the 2003 ESK selection shoot the year before and i wonder how long it will be before skeet shooters make the effort to go there again (if it remains open) this time!! Yuri

I stuck to my guns with this event and didn't book in as it just did not add up - my only surprise was that more didn't do the same.

Shame really because as a facility it is great and has everything you could want - apart from prices are much steeper than i am used too. But if it was making the most of those facilities you might not mind so much paying a little extra.

Major championships should be treated and run like their name implies. I really do hope it was not a case of "its only skeet" when they laid this event on because we deserve the very same effort that every discipline does for a big shoot - the ground wants to be spruced up - grass cut, pads cleaned / painted, Trap houses looking clean and fresh targets set CORRECTLY every day (crikey each NSSA squad see the targets through a hoop before they begin - its not difficult!), I am aware of one club in the USA that sweeps the pads between each squad at a major shoot its part of the routine of a squad change over i think - this is the stuff that will make a shooter think - wow that was a good event and give it that special feel.

I do wonder if i am the only one that looks at the grounds abroad and wonders why we have nothing like that here?

Generally for a major - things at the hosting ground want to be the best they can - look at the effort the major golf courses go through for the major events / ryder cup etc - Why should shooting be any different - instead we seem to have slipped into "that'll do" - embarrassing.

As for the £3 per shooter fine - it should not be a fine to be given to the CPSA for poor performance by the ground, it should be returned to the shooters by way of an apology to them for such a poor experience at a MAJOR event.

They did do one thing right - once they had started with the guards they left them in place - would have been unfair to move them but why the heck they were there in the first place i don't know, mind you they had them in place for the ABT a week or two before so i guess they simply never move them as some of the shooters at that event were complaining about them also.

Edited to add - on the other hand my wife things the ground is great and has shot 2 selection shoots there this year. 400 targets plus practice on top so i guess just shows how opinions differ.

 

[Ray]

They call the event British Open yet the event has never left England to my knowledge in terms of being shot at a ground outside of

England, wonder why that is ?

The event if truly British should be shot on a ground rotation basis between England, Scotland Ireland & Wales. :nyam:

 

[Julesy]

Or just put it centrally every year - I don't know, somewhere like Nottingham hahaha  :spiteful:   rankster:   xD

 

[blaser f3]

I understand that a 28gm steel cartridge has a lot more pellet's than a 28gm lead cartridge . Unfair advantage . Should be a level playing field . 

Personal choice, some shoot 71/2 at skeet some 9's in lead or steel all have a different amount of pellets in them , then you have 24 grms an d 28 grms or 21grms all different amounts !, does'nt really matter if the barrels are'nt pointing in the right place 

 

[Hotshot100]

I can't remember whether it was the B.O. or E.O. that was held at S.C two years ago but I remember watching it and thinking then how badly set up it was. I watched some of the shooting on the Friday afternoon and remember that on one of the ranges the background was so poor that I couldn't see what they were actually shooting at from the low house.

 

[Fuzrat]

Couple of thoughts I had during the day.

If steel is banned at a certain ground why (especially in skeet) wasn't this prominently advertised at the time of booking on the CPSA site? Fair enough had it been trap, nobody uses steel at that, sporting, very very few as to be negligible, but the vast majority of steel used in this country is by skeet shooters (competition shells, not wildfowl loads) and why, as reported here, if there were steel shell boxes in the bins were the refs not doing cartridge checks if steel was banned? 

Surely at a major championship a representative of the CPSA should be on the jury (well versed in the rulebook and have a copy to hand) Arrive a couple of days before the start of the event to do any snagging, make sure the layouts are up to scratch and fit for a major and also check the targets before competition starts. In the case of trap and skeet, be there to hoop or check angles/distance every morning before start of play.

When I was green keeping I would meet with the chairman of the competitions committee at least 3 weeks before the club championship (biggest event in our golf year) and walk the course discussing where they wanted the rough grown out, how fast the greens should be and any areas of concern. We would then meet a couple of days before to discuss the flag and tee positions for each day of the weekend and final snagging then a walk round on the friday afternoon to catch anything else.

Is it too much to ask for a director to do something close to the above, seeing as we have regional directors so the ground hosting would be nearly on their doorstep.

I shot the world sporting hosted by Steve Lovatt last year and the ground and targets were immaculate (considering the weather) also the Express and E/O skeet at Nottingham this year, again immaculate. I am shooting the White Gold sporting at Westfield (Steve again) later this year and will bet the house that it will again be immaculate. The difference? ground owners that have pride in their product!

 

[blaser f3]

Couple of thoughts I had during the day.

If steel is banned at a certain ground why (especially in skeet) wasn't this prominently advertised at the time of booking on the CPSA site? Fair enough had it been trap, nobody uses steel at that, sporting, very very few as to be negligible, but the vast majority of steel used in this country is by skeet shooters (competition shells, not wildfowl loads) and why, as reported here, if there were steel shell boxes in the bins were the refs not doing cartridge checks if steel was banned? 

Surely at a major championship a representative of the CPSA should be on the jury (well versed in the rulebook and have a copy to hand) Arrive a couple of days before the start of the event to do any snagging, make sure the layouts are up to scratch and fit for a major and also check the targets before competition starts. In the case of trap and skeet, be there to hoop or check angles/distance every morning before start of play.

When I was green keeping I would meet with the chairman of the competitions committee at least 3 weeks before the club championship (biggest event in our golf year) and walk the course discussing where they wanted the rough grown out, how fast the greens should be and any areas of concern. We would then meet a couple of days before to discuss the flag and tee positions for each day of the weekend and final snagging then a walk round on the friday afternoon to catch anything else.

Is it too much to ask for a director to do something close to the above, seeing as we have regional directors so the ground hosting would be nearly on their doorstep.

I shot the world sporting hosted by Steve Lovatt last year and the ground and targets were immaculate (considering the weather) also the Express and E/O skeet at Nottingham this year, again immaculate. I am shooting the White Gold sporting at Westfield (Steve again) later this year and will bet the house that it will again be immaculate. The difference? ground owners that have pride in their product!

I have been told that whenever a ground holds a Cpsa shoot the ground is given a form/ booklet of what is expected of the ground , obviously this does'nt mention the competition / ground being run within CPSA technical rules dealing with the particular discipline being shot !!

 

[Fuzrat]

Oh FFS a booklet!!! if thats the support that ground owners get for a major championship from HQ where is the rest of the 40 odd quid every shooter pays? and they wonder why they cant attract sponsorship  :fie:

 

[Julesy]

You don't get anything to tell you how to run a championship. Nothing at all. First time we ran an ABT selection shoot it was the shooters that were telling us how it works.

Claire and Pete are superb at answering queries but a bigger heads up would be a great help and would standardise things.

 

[blaser f3]

You don't get anything to tell you how to run a championship. Nothing at all. First time we ran an ABT selection shoot it was the shooters that were telling us how it works.

Claire and Pete are superb at answering queries but a bigger heads up would be a great help and would standardise things.

Would explain a lot then !! But then perhaps they think you know everything  Julia !! :spiteful:

 

[Julesy]

Wouldn't be the first time I've been called a know it all!!!

It's what you get for being gobby though!!! Haha

 

[alflan]

It's not rocket science,get the targets right and have plenty good refs and the shooters will be happy.

 

[ShootingforGirls]

Hi Ray. You are saying that the British Open should be shared between England Ireland Scotland and Wales. Any CPSA registered ground with four or more layouts can apply to hold these events and be included on the rota. I think its a case of not many grounds having the facilities and/or not wanting to hold these events rather than trying to place the shoots throughout Great Britain.