Don't look at the barrel!

[Bebo]

Correct, trap is usually shot with high comb and high ish poi. Personally I shoot better with seeing less rib as i can suffer from the OPs problem of being attracted to the bead / rib. A flatter shooting gun means that (for me) i shoot through the barell. Everyone's perception of such things is different and i appreciate that this may not be right for everyone . I always remain of the opinion that one must find what works for you and that one persons advice may be different to the "usual" but that does not make it the worst advice ever.

remember that in the olden days it was usual for game, sporting and skeet to be shot with a very low comb, only the folk who adopted trap guns for esp started to talk about comb height for sporting .

But isn't that high comb usually accompanied by a high rib as well? In which case you still don't see a lot of rib and blot the target out?

I see a fair bit of rib. It means on crossers the target is always visible for me. If I shoot DTL I always see the target. If I blot it out I miss over the top. 

 

[ips]

this is my absolute last post on the matter as none of this is helping the OP

my thoughts were based on "my" experience and i did say that "many will disagree" I also said "may" help not will help because I know that not everything works for everyone and we all perceive things differently. I am not talking about flat so you are looking at the lever I am talking about seeing "a little less rib" rather than the current trend for very high comb which "can" (personally speaking) make you aware of the runway effect of the rib unless of course you lift your focus above accordingly.

 

[Bebo]

It was an honest question from me, that's why I've put question marks in.  I've never shot a trap gun or a high rib gun, so was wondering if that's how it worked.

 

[AW13]

Went out this morning and I think I have identified my problem.  I am not focusing on the clay properly for the longer or more difficult ones.  Nearer clays, incoming or going away are the easier ones.  It's the crossers and some quartering ones that get me.  I 'totally' concentrated on those today and hit many more just through focus.  When I went for pairs I made myself ignore the gun and just lift and shoot, almost snap shooting.....much better results.

Feel very pleased with the results today.

 

[ips]

It was an honest question from me, that's why I've put question marks in.  I've never shot a trap gun or a high rib gun, so was wondering if that's how it worked.

bebo

no high comb is just that, you will see more rib and poi as a result is higher that is why you found that you missed if you covered the target. You are right though high comb and high rib will give a flatter sight picture as in not seeing much rib but on a high rib trap gun this is compensated for by either the rib being adjustable or if fixed it usually tapers (lower) at the muzzle.

Went out this morning and I think I have identified my problem.  I am not focusing on the clay properly for the longer or more difficult ones.  Nearer clays, incoming or going away are the easier ones.  It's the crossers and some quartering ones that get me.  I 'totally' concentrated on those today and hit many more just through focus.  When I went for pairs I made myself ignore the gun and just lift and shoot, almost snap shooting.....much better results.

Feel very pleased with the results today.

well done for working through it ?

 

[Darkside]

It was an honest question from me, that's why I've put question marks in.  I've never shot a trap gun or a high rib gun, so was wondering if that's how it worked.

Hi Bebo, to answer your question, your 'sporter' will be set up with the comb higher like a trap gun, to give you better vision when shooting. The old fashioned way of thought was/is sporters should have a low comb, see little to no rib, and instead of always being able to see the clay your shooting, you will have to 'blot' it out when coming through the line of a crosser. Hence, lots of people shoot sporting/FITASC better with a trap 'stock' rather than a low comb sporting stock!!! 

There are exceptions to the rule, some Beretta trap guns, the barrels are designed to put the pattern higher than the rib would suggest...i.e. 80/20 when you'd expect 60/40 from that sight picture. 

 

[Salopian]

Some 'Old Ones' know what they are talking about and can solve problems using experience not mumbo jumbo and bullsh*t.

We are now discussing Comb height and the reasoning behind it .

Now lets discuss why we have a bead if the best advice is to take it off , and whilst we are on lets talk about POA & POI, shotstring and patterns .

Nowt on the TV

 

[Bebo]

Cheers ips and Darkside, trap isn't my thing so wasn't sure how most people had their guns set up for it.

First time Ed saw me mount my gun he commented that I saw a lot of rib and that I might have a tendency to shoot high as a result, but he concluded that I don't. Probably as a result of always having had that sight picture and therefore always coming through just under a crossing target. 

 

[Wonko the Sane]

MY GOD !!!​

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I really pity the people that come here for advice.  OP - get a copy of Yardley's book on gunfitting and move on.  There is nothing to see here.

 

[Dbac300566]

Has any one removed the bead from their gun and what where the results,removed mid bead from my browning as it made the sight picture to busy.

 

[chippy]

I would never take the bead off a shotgun. How do you aim it without a bead?

 

[Dbac300566]

I think you are not to aim with a shot gun,so wondering if any one has remove bead from their gun and is it easy to remove bead off a browning with out damaging the bead or gun.

 

[balltrap]

I would never take the bead off a shotgun. How do you aim it without a bead?

Beads mean nothing, and who the hell lines them up  the correct fit is that you see is the thickness of a 10p from the back to the front of the barrels, this gives you a slightly high poi so you can see the target, this is ideal of sporting and skeet but trap shooters prefer a higher poi

 

[foldAA]

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There are exceptions to the rule, some Beretta trap guns, the barrels are designed to put the pattern higher than the rib would suggest...i.e. 80/20 when you'd expect 60/40 from that sight picture. 

I have heard that so many times i started beliving but....

How can POI be a thing dependant on barrels them self i have no idea.... it's just againt every and each rule of good patterning barrels...

Its comb height and rib if its not parallel (if this actually can be a thing) that are affecting POI

right?

 

[westley]

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I really pity the people that come here for advice.  OP - get a copy of Yardley's book on gunfitting and move on.  There is nothing to see here.

Ask Darkside if you may borrow his copy    :lol:

 

[chippy]

Beads mean nothing, and who the hell lines them up  the correct fit is that you see is the thickness of a 10p from the back to the front of the barrels, this gives you a slightly high poi so you can see the target, this is ideal of sporting and skeet but trap shooters prefer a higher poi

With respect I think your wrong. You need the bead to aim at the clay.

 

[MJJ]

Just to add i use two 1 pound coins (stacked) placed about 4-5 inches from the breach face, i can then just see about half the front bead. Each to there own. I would say its more important that your eye is directly inline with the rib and not to one side or the other.

 

[Darkside]

...and who the hell lines them up  the correct fit is that you see is the thickness of a 10p from the back to the front of the barrels, this gives you a slightly high poi so you can see the target, this is ideal of sporting and skeet...

WOW!!!  Your actually serious with that bullsh*t statement!?!? No wonder you don't have your real name on your profile!!! 

Ed Solomons, how the f*ck do you ever hit anything with your gun???  I'm pretty sure there's more than a 10p thickness of rib showing on yours!!!

 

[jwpzx9r]

If you can get a gun fit and mount that makes you confident that you are looking straight down the barrel every time you mount the gun you will be less inclined to look down the barrel to check your eye line. Once you are confident that you are looking straight down the gun set your comb so you have a high ish set up so you are a good bit over the gun. Now mount the gun and look for the target. I find this works for me, whereas a low comb has me looking down the rib for the target. It is difficult to explain and since everybody sees things differently when it comes to shooting but being a being a trap shooter what I find is I do not have to look very much higher for the target once the gun is mounted whereas with a low comb I have to look quite a bit higher but with a low comb my first sight the bead because you are looking down the rib more. It is difficult to explain but a low comb is not for me.

 

[balltrap]

WOW!!!  Your actually serious with that bullsh*t statement!?!? No wonder you don't have your real name on your profile!!! 

Ed Solomons, how the f*ck do you ever hit anything with your gun???  I'm pretty sure there's more than a 10p thickness of rib showing on yours!!!




 

yep serious no need to act like that you little bum fook !