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[ColinD]

Strange that certain professions never stopped at all with home visits during the pandemic. Please don't give me risk assessment and all that, we tried that with the company I work for and all we got was we are folowing government guidlines and your safety is our upmost concern .

 

[TRINITY]

Ok the covid situation has been extremely difficult to every organisation. However some are really milking it for all it's worth in order to mask their laziness and inefficiency.

Here is a novel idea. Take them to the small claims court. You have paid for a service/item and they have failed to deliver. It's a very easy process and by the way you have explained the facts you have a cast iron case. It may also give the lazy sods the kick up the Harris they deserve.

 

[wynno]

Ok the covid situation has been extremely difficult to every organisation. However some are really milking it for all it's worth in order to mask their laziness and inefficiency.

Here is a novel idea. Take them to the small claims court. You have paid for a service/item and they have failed to deliver. It's a very easy process and by the way you have explained the facts you have a cast iron case. It may also give the lazy sods the kick up the Harris they deserve.

It’s a novel approach, and it would certainly concentrate the minds of those in charge. However, it might lead to a heightened interest in the appellant, and knowing how vindictive some are ( the public as well as those in public office ) might it not backfire ?

 

[Les53]

Ok it’s easy to blame the police, but it really isn’t their fault. They don’t make the rules, they have to live with them , just as we do. 
Successive governments over decades have made things more difficult for us and the coppers. The excuse being to reduce the risk of gun crime, something that we and the police know has not worked. 
Very few legally held guns are used in crime, everyone knows that, including the police. 
Basically I don’t believe that governments in this country, no matter what party, actually like an armed population. 
If you look back at firearms licensing history in the U.K., it’s gradually got tougher since the end of WW1. 
It ain’t going get any better anytime soon! 
 

 

[Jan Powell]

I get they maybe stretched but why is the delay in processing a piece of paperwork been affected soo much that they’ve gone to possible year waiting lists? Surely it can’t be that hard/time consuming to process an application. 
 

The delay, quite simply, is because your’e not a priority. Firearms Licensing departments are up to their ears with renewals and because they’re time critical this is obviously their focus.

Grants involve home visits and this can’t be done until social distancing allows. Knowing the processes as I do I wouldn’t expect a certificate until late summer/early autumn. Anything quicker than that will be a bonus.

 

[Freddypip]

The Small Claims Court is not an option. You are not contracting with the police to provide a service but paying a statutory charge for them to exercise a statutory function. I expect the statute (or Reguations etc) is worded in such a way that they are under no obligtaion regards the time taken to act (non-feasance) and only creates a duty when they do so negeligently (mis-feasance). If you are not happy with their performance the correct remedy is a complaint via the relevant P&CC or through Judicial Review though I expect neither will get you anywhere and I expect, as has been pointed out, either would be counter productive.

 

[MJJ]

Ok it’s easy to blame the police, but it really isn’t their fault. They don’t make the rules, they have to live with them , just as we do. 
Successive governments over decades have made things more difficult for us and the coppers. The excuse being to reduce the risk of gun crime, something that we and the police know has not worked. 
Very few legally held guns are used in crime, everyone knows that, including the police. 
Basically I don’t believe that governments in this country, no matter what party, actually like an armed population. 
If you look back at firearms licensing history in the U.K., it’s gradually got tougher since the end of WW1. 
It ain’t going get any better anytime soon! 
 

The reason was - They were sh*t scared of an armed population (and still are). Well there were an awful lot of ex army around at the time who were very proficient in the use of firearms which were quite readily available at the time. Let's not start on the offensive weapons bill - It's all for our safety!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Jan Powell]

The reason was - They were sh*t scared of an armed population (and still are). Well there were an awful lot of ex army around at the time who were very proficient in the use of firearms which were quite readily available at the time. Let's not start on the offensive weapons bill - It's all for our safety!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a lot of tosh!

 

[Les53]

Like it or not, our country, or at least successive governments, do not like idea of an armed public. Yes this did start after the Russian Revolution, yes it now sounds very odd, but check the history, its all there to see. 
I don’t do the conspiracy crap, but this is not a conspiracy thing. 
Our country does not want private individuals to own firearms. Governments and the anti brigade will do all they can to remove our guns, even though most of us are the most law abiding citizens of this country. 
If any of you believe otherwise, well so be it. 
OK my gun safes have held some fairly serious stuff over the years, yeah all legal. 
Are we wrong to want to own lethal weapons, albeit for sporting purposes? 
How many legally held firearms have been used in criminal offences in the past few years? 
The information is all there, just look for it and be amazed! 
No I don’t advocate firearms for all, but our current system does not address the issues that face us. 
If the above upsets you then I’m sorry. But get a grip and look at the facts. 
People kill each other, with or without guns, it’s one of our human traits. 

 

[wynno]

What a lot of tosh!

Sorry jan but I think you are wrong, governments the world over are afraid of an armed population.

 

[Freddypip]

I disagree strongly with a couple of the posts above. I may be fool for commenting on them but here goes.

• I am not sure how any of the comments about historical gun control are relevant to the original post which was about the delay in the issue of a new shotgun certificate.
  
• This is, as far as I am aware, a clay shooting forum so some aspects a gun control in general are not really relevant. S.1 firearms have little or no interest to me as clay shooter.
  
• As I understand it, it is for the Police to demonstrate that a S.2 Certificate should not be issued to the applicant.  This does not appear, in my view, to impose a significant degree of control but a sensible degree of scrutiny before one is issued. It is unfortunate that there are currently delays but I would much prefer the scrutiny takes place.
  
• With a S.1 certificate the applicant must show a need or necessity for the certificate. This appears to make sense as many would question why someone would need a S.1 firearm without good reason (and a safe place to use it). Very few S.1 guns are used for a sport (now edited to correct a reference to S.2 here).
  
• I suspect the government have long forgotten the risk of armed uprising in this country; a fear of communism in 1917 is of no concern today.
  
• What bothers the government & people who vote for it, is a repeat of the Hungerford, Dunblane & Cumbria, all of which were committed with legally held S.1 firearms. If you review the list of similar incidents abroad our current controls are very easy to explain in a modern context.
  
• We do not in the UK have a right to bear arms. We can only do so to the extent allowed by the elected government. I expect if you asked the majority of the populus what they want, it will be further restrictions.
  

My concern is that those who safely shoot clays, on a S.2 certificate, without any risk to others, are tarred with the same brush as the S.1 certificate holders who are keen to expand gun ownership without good logical reason (beyond that already allowed by S.1).

I see an enormous gulf between CPSA members, or those akin, shooting a recognised discipline and, those out with a S.1 firearm undertaking some recreational 'pest control', hoping that they may be able to get a bigger & better gun.

 

[Westward]

Much of the problem lies in the way that people and/or the police try to apply logical reason to a topic which is highly emotive. Words such gun or firearm can induce near apoplexy in people, such as a local builder and family friend (admittedly mildly autistic) who questioned me intensely for about 15 minutes when he learned I kept shotguns in the house. But he was completely unconcerned when his daughter took up archery and purchased a recurve bow easily capable of killing a human at 100+ yds.

Dunblane was not in any sense a failure of the licencing system as it existed at the time. My understanding is that 4 different people on 7 separate occasions complained to the police about Hamilton's stupid and unruly behaviour with guns yet he was allowed to keep his licence. IDK if he had S1 firearms, it doesn't really matter anyway, but he certainly had bladed weapons which he used during the attack. The point here is that the police could have prevented the worst of the attack had they revoked his licence and removed his guns. That being the case, why did the police insist that the gun laws needed updating?

 

[b348xyx]

I had my renewal letter from SWP in early January, after getting the medical report the form and payment was submitted by email two weeks later.

I finally received my renewal one day before it was due to expire. You have to keep badgering them to process your application, and tell them that if you are unable to keep your guns at home then you will lodge them with a RFD and pass the costs onto them.

I thought they grant temporary extensions in those circumstance? if they cannot renew in time.

 

[Jonny English]

I thought they grant temporary extensions in those circumstance? if they cannot renew in time.

Thay do grant extensions usually as long as you have applied for your renewal in a timely manner.

 

[wynno]

I thought they grant temporary extensions in those circumstance? if they cannot renew in time.

I did apply for the renewal well in time, but as SWP were slow in processing my application, I reminded them that IF I had to lodge my guns with a RFD then any costs would be forwarded to them.

It did concentrate their minds, and my certificate was issued soon after.

 

[MJJ]

What a lot of tosh!

Really - Maybe you should learn some history before denouncing the truth.

 

[MartynB]

I see an enormous gulf between CPSA members, or those akin, shooting a recognised discipline and, those out with a S.1 firearm undertaking some recreational 'pest control', hoping that they may be able to get a bigger & better gun.

Sorry but you are way of beam . The process of being  interviewed by the police is to determine if you are a fit and proper person to own a firearm full stop . The fact that it is two tiered is very little to do with it . 
 
Just think , Section 2 , you have a 12 gun cabinet , you can buy 12 guns no questions asked , buy and sell guns no questions asked  , ( and multiple thousands of rounds can be acquired and stored -   that the police don’t know you hold ) . Sec 1 , you might be limited to a gun per task , and can’t swap guns on a whim without a variation . Every round you buy is recorded , and your maximum permitted purchase is severely limited . 

The fact that someone shoots registered has no bearing on if they as a person are a danger to public safety . If you think you can just get a ticket for recreational pest control , I think you’d find that it’s not that easy . 
 

 

[FESkent]

On 5/21/2021 at 8:11 PM, ColinD said:

“Strange that certain professions never stopped at all with home visits during the pandemic.”

Very true, lots of trades have continued working within people’s houses during the pandemic but then I bet most were self employed, no work no money, unlike the FEO.

 

[FESkent]

I disagree strongly with a couple of the posts above. I may be fool for commenting on them but here goes.

Very few S.1 guns are used for a sport (now edited to correct a reference to S.2 here).

• What bothers the government & people who vote for it, is a repeat of the Hungerford, Dunblane & Cumbria, all of which were committed with legally held S.1 firearms. If you review the list of similar incidents abroad our current controls are very easy to explain in a modern context.
  

Actually lots of S.1 firearms are owned for sport, with many home office approved target shooting clubs up and down the country.

if the perpetrator of Hungerford, Dunblane, and  Cumbria had not had access to S1 firearms only S2 do you think the situation would have been any different, suicides by firearm owners in this country, that the medical reporting is trying to stop, is with S2 firearms not S1.

then look at Northern Ireland and the Channel Ireland’s they still are allowed pistols for target sporting purposes yet we are not, is the general population of these countries at anymore risk as a consequence?

To think S1 firearms are fundamentally more risky for the population to own then S2 is wrong.

 

[ColinD]

“Strange that certain professions never stopped at all with home visits during the pandemic.”

Very true, lots of trades have continued working within people’s houses during the pandemic but then I bet most were self employed, no work no money, unlike the FEO.

Not sure how to reply to this, but far more employed people carried on working during the pandemic than self employed, who by the way were offered furlough by the government, the others had no choice