Practice/training with full chokes?
- Thread starter altnipper
- Start date
Help Support Clay, Trap, Skeet Shooting Forum:
RobertBeard
Moderator
So do I but they are no good for my waistline!! :fie:
I think though if you repeat what your doing with the first chip then your a lot more likely to miss than knowing how to change the shot to make a better kill. I think it's a lot riskier repeating a chippy kill than slightly adjusting in the direction you feel the main pattern is. For me it quite often happens when I nip the front off the clay and I'm reasonably sure I nearly missed it infront. Next shot adjusted and usually a better kill. I think you can learn a lot from how a clay breaks.
The top shots who use tight (3/4 full) chokes all the time then are they disadvantaging themselves by not using slightly more open 1/2's, obviously this isn't bourne out in results as they get the vast majority of the targets within the heart of the shot cloud I'm guessing. but if the shot pattern is that much nicer with 1/2's at usual ESP distances why would they go tighter?
http://www.sportingshooter.co.uk/features/clay-shooting/clay_shooting_1_1529625
http://www.sportingshooter.co.uk/features/clay-shooting/clay_shooting_1_1529625
Last edited by a moderator:
Oh but you do get bonus points, that's what the more experienced shooters are trying to tell you. Ed would never have found himself in a position of being on for a straight with two pairs to go had he chipped his way through the previous 96.
Chips all count of course and it sounds plausible to think you could build a career on them but in practice poor breaks are a near miss / lucky hit. Straights don't happen with lots of near misses, they happen when you're on them almost all the time but get lucky once or twice with a near miss.
VicW
Well-known member
Surely the object of the exercise is to see 'a visible piece break off the clay' which is roughly what the rules say.
Because there are many variables every time you pull the trigger,such as your own skill,gunmount,distraction,wind changes,weather,cartridge performance even with same make/size/batch, etc, to achieve 100% powdered clays is not likely.
The choke you use is surely the one that gives you the best results consistently for the level at which you compete and I say compete because everyone 'competes' if only with themselves.
It would appear that a 1/2 choke is very popular and not many in favour of choke changing during a shoot.
Me,I'm a sucker for trying different makes of choke but it's largely a waste of money because my best results are currently being achieved with a bog standard Beretta 1/2 flush choke in my auto. A U2 Muller sounds worth trying though!!.
Vic.
Because there are many variables every time you pull the trigger,such as your own skill,gunmount,distraction,wind changes,weather,cartridge performance even with same make/size/batch, etc, to achieve 100% powdered clays is not likely.
The choke you use is surely the one that gives you the best results consistently for the level at which you compete and I say compete because everyone 'competes' if only with themselves.
It would appear that a 1/2 choke is very popular and not many in favour of choke changing during a shoot.
Me,I'm a sucker for trying different makes of choke but it's largely a waste of money because my best results are currently being achieved with a bog standard Beretta 1/2 flush choke in my auto. A U2 Muller sounds worth trying though!!.
Vic.
Skeet UK
Well-known member
Vic, you are so right.
A U2 is just slightly tighter than 1/4 at 12 thou, but it will do the business much further than you would expect.
If you wanted nearer 1/2 then you would want a U3 at 22 thou, but I think you would find a U2 to be brilliant.
I use a pair of U2's most of the time and I now have a U3 to muck about with. Gebben Miles uses a pair of U3's.
See the link in my sig if you haven't read it before.
ips
Well-known member
- Joined
- Jul 19, 2012
- Messages
- 15,642
i have to concur once again with all of what Mr hammy says i can add no more on the subject.
E
Emmsy
Guest
vic just use any old 1/2, there is no thing as a wonder chokeVic, you are so right.
A U2 is just slightly tighter than 1/4 at 12 thou, but it will do the business much further than you would expect.
If you wanted nearer 1/2 then you would want a U3 at 22 thou, but I think you would find a U2 to be brilliant.
I use a pair of U2's most of the time and I now have a U3 to muck about with. Gebben Miles uses a pair of U3's.
See the link in my sig if you haven't read it before.
I think that a lot of time and effort is wasted on worrying about chokes.
You wouldn't want to handicap yourself shooting at close incomers or rabbits with full choke, and neither would you shoot trap with cylinder choke, half is exactly that halfway between, a compromise.
But it can be shown that a half choke provides a greater percentage of usable pellets over a greater distance than other choke designations.
For sure using a lot of choke will necessitate you having greater accuracy, but ask yourself this.
If the great and the good use 3/4 & F all of the time, why do they carry two guns around or a spare set of barrels, and why aren't the close targets turned into soot? Do they use 3/4 & F or do they use the correct constriction for the prevailing circumstances?
You wouldn't want to handicap yourself shooting at close incomers or rabbits with full choke, and neither would you shoot trap with cylinder choke, half is exactly that halfway between, a compromise.
But it can be shown that a half choke provides a greater percentage of usable pellets over a greater distance than other choke designations.
For sure using a lot of choke will necessitate you having greater accuracy, but ask yourself this.
If the great and the good use 3/4 & F all of the time, why do they carry two guns around or a spare set of barrels, and why aren't the close targets turned into soot? Do they use 3/4 & F or do they use the correct constriction for the prevailing circumstances?
When I started clay shooting most of the "good" shooters used a skeet gun for close stuff and a trap gun for longer or edge on clays. Nowadays you can change a choke for maximum versatility insted of humping two guns about.
I rarely change a choke but a long "Trap" type clay will not be smashed with an open choke. But I do have the option to change my choke for one which is more suitable, which is why I use a multi choke gun.
I rarely change a choke but a long "Trap" type clay will not be smashed with an open choke. But I do have the option to change my choke for one which is more suitable, which is why I use a multi choke gun.
Skeet UK
Well-known member
Question:
I know it’s a popular view especially in sporting to choose 1 or 2 chokes and use them for everything. I lean more toward using all my chokes making sure of yardage, using multiple loads. What is your view?
-Breeze
"I’m in full agreement I change chokes all the time, even between singles and doubles on FITASC. I promised myself I would stop changing chokes when Tiger Woods uses only one club!"
-Ben H
I know it’s a popular view especially in sporting to choose 1 or 2 chokes and use them for everything. I lean more toward using all my chokes making sure of yardage, using multiple loads. What is your view?
-Breeze
"I’m in full agreement I change chokes all the time, even between singles and doubles on FITASC. I promised myself I would stop changing chokes when Tiger Woods uses only one club!"
-Ben H
Chard
Well-known member
I don't play golf.
RobertBeard
Moderator
Very sensible Chard! Stupid frustrating game spoilt for me by parents who insisted on replaying their matches when they got home for my benefit, shot by shot. Can you imagine anything more tedious and boring!
So the equivalent in shooting, take your 100 birder, go through describing the stand, the scenery and how you tackled each pair and the results and how the guys and gals in your squad did and how you beat them or otherwise right up to what happened in the 19th hole.
Will Hewland
Well-known member
A bloke used to work for me who has a reputation for his tales and general mouth; making people hide behind things when he approached. He would see me on a Monday and begin his shooting story, stand by stand. Each stand started with 'I dropped the cartridges in the gun'.. (no sh*t Sherlock..) and ended - a good while later - with 'I hit that clay so hard it looked like a house brick had smashed it'. Finally, as my vision was blurring and the will to live was all but gone he would tell me his score; which I would usually read as a lower figure on the CPSA website a day or so later. He eventually left my employ and has become an instructor. Still C class I think..
Chard
Well-known member
So what?
The top shots will all say something different. This means one of two things :
A - They don't know what they're talking about
or
B - Different things suit different people.
I don't do hero worship, so I won't do something just because a top shot does it, especially when other top shots do it completely differently.
I might be middle of the road A Class but I've been shooting competitively since 2009 ish. I dare say I'll get where I'm going and it won't have anything to do with choke-twiddling or hero worship, that's a couple of things I am certain of.
