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Old Woman
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I can see exactly where you are coming from, and I do see cases where AA shooters are not seen for a while and then return in a lower class and mince up everything, and it can be annoying, especially when us genuine shooters try week in a week out and only seek to improve on the previous week. The other side of the argument however, relates to older shooters who have been in AA and gradually lose their touch, either by eyesight, or other reasons, but they never really regain their top form and therefore the issue of Sandbagging would never relate to them. The debate relating to classes and the present system adopted by the CPSA will always have 'Loop Holes" I do remember when we were only classed annually. I believe Will has the best answer, but no one seemed to listen.
I still think those older shooters are still A class!!! Look at the shoots where HG is a vet or svet, if they are losing there sight...guys like Ed Lyons will sort that (mostly), if they have just lost their touch and can't compete in A class...go birds only, but to let AA or AAA shots drop down to C or B class is just not fair on C or B class shooters!!!
I think far too much importance is attached to class systems and prize money.
I shoot very rarely nowadays at registered shoots and if I do I shoot birds only if possible.
If I shoot well people say "well he should do, he's been doing it years." If I shoot poorly people are pleased if they post a higher score than me,and think that maybe I should have shot better, good luck to them.
I shoot to enjoy myself but most of all I enjoy seeing friends shoot well.
Perhaps if someone rose to A or AA they should not be allowed to drop to B or C and compete for reward either money , goods or trophies???
Just a thought.
I shoot very rarely nowadays at registered shoots and if I do I shoot birds only if possible.
If I shoot well people say "well he should do, he's been doing it years." If I shoot poorly people are pleased if they post a higher score than me,and think that maybe I should have shot better, good luck to them.
I shoot to enjoy myself but most of all I enjoy seeing friends shoot well.
Perhaps if someone rose to A or AA they should not be allowed to drop to B or C and compete for reward either money , goods or trophies???
Just a thought.
shootinguru
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Peter, I got up to A class and over the years dropped back down to B then as I approached 70 I dropped to C class.
My eyesight gave me problems and glasses did not help, now full of arthritis are you saying I should have stayed in A class?
I shoot competition because it helps me concentrait! If I shoot B.O. I miss a few and say to myself "well its only practice".
My eyesight gave me problems and glasses did not help, now full of arthritis are you saying I should have stayed in A class?
I shoot competition because it helps me concentrait! If I shoot B.O. I miss a few and say to myself "well its only practice".
Rosso
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Squirrel,
Yes, do as you please, as I said it was only my thoughts on the subject.
Certainly there are good reasons to go competition entry if you so desire. It helps to focus your mind, because if you are honest with yourself and have age related ailments you are possibly handicapped against the young bucks. But you can always compete with yourself or your previous score at that ground. This helps to focus and can increase your performance.
But as I said I compete for the enjoyment. I think that a person with previous knowledge and good skills is deluding themselves if they compete in a lower class than their ability and personally I think any monies, trophies or prizes should not be collected . I would get far more enjoyment from seeing a beam on a youngster, novice or especially a lady prize winners face .
But each to their own.
As you are well aware the American system using punches is a farce . You get Masterclass shooters competing in the same class as World, National and State Champions who got into Masterclass by winning their category with a .410 at competitions on numerous occasions.
Yes, do as you please, as I said it was only my thoughts on the subject.
Certainly there are good reasons to go competition entry if you so desire. It helps to focus your mind, because if you are honest with yourself and have age related ailments you are possibly handicapped against the young bucks. But you can always compete with yourself or your previous score at that ground. This helps to focus and can increase your performance.
But as I said I compete for the enjoyment. I think that a person with previous knowledge and good skills is deluding themselves if they compete in a lower class than their ability and personally I think any monies, trophies or prizes should not be collected . I would get far more enjoyment from seeing a beam on a youngster, novice or especially a lady prize winners face .
But each to their own.
As you are well aware the American system using punches is a farce . You get Masterclass shooters competing in the same class as World, National and State Champions who got into Masterclass by winning their category with a .410 at competitions on numerous occasions.
Nope!!! On their day they can still win A class, on a poor day for them or at a tough shoot for some of the AA they would still win B class by miles!!! we get a lot of shoots up here badly affected by weather, often HG from a AAA can be in the 80's due to nothing more than horrendous weather, with only 14-15 registered sporting shoots a year total!!! I shot at a ground in a Scottish selection shoot two years ago where at 2pm by the time we drove the 3 1/2 hours to get there, it was 40-50 mph wind, half way up a mountain!!! Our squad came into the clubhouse with sh*t scores...97 was leading!!!! "How the f*** did he shoot that score in that weather?!?!" I asked. "He didn't, the weather was lovely at 10 am when they went out, didn't blow up until not long before you lot arrived" there was loads of binned cards in the afternoon from embarrassed shooters who shot terrible scores, even though they shot well!!! (p.s. The 97 didn't look on even in perfect weather!!!)
To quote James:-
" there was loads of binned cards in the afternoon from embarrassed shooters who shot terrible scores, even though they shot well!!! ".
So what you are really saying is that many A, AA, AAA, classified shots are not really that good because their registered scores are not a true reflection of their average shot over a year? Obviously this includes B's & C's also!
Well what a surprise, I thought it was a leisure activity, a sport !
Obviously not.
" there was loads of binned cards in the afternoon from embarrassed shooters who shot terrible scores, even though they shot well!!! ".
So what you are really saying is that many A, AA, AAA, classified shots are not really that good because their registered scores are not a true reflection of their average shot over a year? Obviously this includes B's & C's also!
Well what a surprise, I thought it was a leisure activity, a sport !
Obviously not.
ips
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I really don't get this.
So you shoot cack and you can bin your score so your averages are not affected therefore you can manage your scores to keep you in a class that makes you look better than you are. Or you could bin a good score to keep you in a lower class for fiscal reasons. Surely I am wrong surely this cannot be right surely either of the above is cheating ?
So you shoot cack and you can bin your score so your averages are not affected therefore you can manage your scores to keep you in a class that makes you look better than you are. Or you could bin a good score to keep you in a lower class for fiscal reasons. Surely I am wrong surely this cannot be right surely either of the above is cheating ?
Will Hewland
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But.. The mastercard only gets used to sort out discrepancies usually. Binned cards rarely get investigated. Hornet on Sunday was tough (although Cheryl Hall failed to notice this) and I note that several shooters I saw there don't feature in the results..
I would say no offence to the people but actually I probably mean it 'thats f*kin stupid* it's there so it should be used that's why I've always thought it was there
Will Hewland
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It should be used..
move-mount-miss
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If somebody bins a low card they are only cheating themselves. People who bin a high card are cheating everybody else. Yes master sheet should be used maybe some grounds do. I've never put it to the test.
Bebo
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Me and the husband joined the CPSA in November. Proceeded to go to our first ever registered shoot in December. Both gave our CPSA number, it was written in the book and we were handed cards for unclassified shooters. We went round and both performed abysmally, but dutifully handed our cards in. They weren't easy to read as it had been raining and one of the scorers was using a felt pen that just created a big illegible blur.
I was then excitedly checking the CPSA scores daily until they came up. My score was listed, husbands wasn't. OK, thought it might just have been an omission. Three weeks ago he got a snotty letter from the CPSA telling him off for not handing his card in. He promptly got on the phone, told them we had both handed our cards in and they are supposedly looking into it with the ground. Not heard anything more from them yet.
If we don't get a response, probably won't bother renewing our memberships and we'll just go and do the odd registered shoot as birds only. Bit disappointing really.
