Sporting with a trap gun or `vice versa

[shootinguru]

It Feaking amazes me why all the  gun makers make trap sporters and skeet guns? Its obvious from all the resident experts on here that one gun does all!

Before they drone on about shooting in the 70's  sporting with a trap and skeet gun, there were no sporters made then!

 

[Darkside]

It Feaking amazes me why all the  gun makers make trap sporters and skeet guns? Its obvious from all the resident experts on here that one gun does all!

Before they drone on about shooting in the 70's  sporting with a trap and skeet gun, there were no sporters made then!

It freaking amazes me how badly most of the manufacturers have got the stock dimensions wrong on most sporters!!! Combs are so low and drop so much that they are just about useless. Most sporters I pick up from gunshop shelves, when I mount them...I can't see any rib or so little they'd be useless to shoot. 

Meets be honest, when your shooting sporting/FITASC...you will see 'trap' and 'skeet' birds on the same course, sometimes on the same stand,!so that 'sporter' you have better be able to shoot EVERYTHING...hence, lots of people opt for a 'trap' type stock, low rib, multi choke, shoots 60/40 (where they are looking if the gun fits them)

I'm loving this K80 since I switched, the (useless) sporting woodwork that came with it is packed away safely up the loft, I bought trap woodwork from Haggis at WCG and it transformed the gun...it's an old gun, if I ever sell/trade/change it for a newer K80 Supersport...I will keep the trap wood to swap over to the new gun

 

[Paul120]

Spot on. I've had 3 Sporters over the years. Bought as they were multuchoke.

I had  Trap stocks fitted to 2 of them all as i couldn't see over the top leavers.

The other one wasn't eorth the bother or expense of finding a trap stock so only used it once before selling it.

 

[bisondan]

I guess what I shoot with (Blaser F3 Supersport) is a trap gun which has been 'sporterised' 

Fully adjustable rib, and barrel shims, and comb on the original wood which I changed for the Ergosign means that I've had the gun set-up perfectly for me. 

Whenever I pick up a normal gun now they just feel odd and I don't think I'd ever go back.  

 

[Geordieboy]

Hi Martin Plenty of opinion on here regarding that subject.... Nothing wrong with a trap gun for sporting, try a MK 38 miroku grade 5 trap, and spend the remaining 5k on a good holiday, it will be the only gun you ever need..... Tin hat ready 

I back this one up.  I am actually considering going to Portugal and getting a stock made to fit me on my Mk38.  For £4000 all in with Teague chokes, you could have a spectacular Mk38 trap gun fitted with outstanding wood, and a gun that will do everything....all the time....with little to go wrong!

 

[DKGibbs]

I like the first post regarding the MK38 Grade 5. They are a beautiful gun and bullet proof....

I personally shoot 90% Sporting with the odd got at DT or Skeet and I use the MK38 32" Sporter. I've used many other makes which have cost far more and not enjoyed the experience anymore.

For £7k you'd pretty much get a Grade 5 mk38 trap & a grade 5 sporter I should think.

 

[FreeShot]

Perhaps worth to look at : http://www.johnmbrowningcollection.com/static/?type=gunroom&page=gunroom-hm-sporting#nogo

 

[andypandy]

I like the first post regarding the MK38 Grade 5. They are a beautiful gun and bullet proof....

I personally shoot 90% Sporting with the odd got at DT or Skeet and I use the MK38 32" Sporter. I've used many other makes which have cost far more and not enjoyed the experience anymore.

For £7k you'd pretty much get a Grade 5 mk38 trap & a grade 5 sporter I should think.

Right up to the point that they don't work anymore because the firing pins are made of cheese.  I'll just go and put on my tin hat now :bye:

 

[DolphinCTC]

I like the first post regarding the MK38 Grade 5. They are a beautiful gun and bullet proof....

I personally shoot 90% Sporting with the odd got at DT or Skeet and I use the MK38 32" Sporter. I've used many other makes which have cost far more and not enjoyed the experience anymore.

For £7k you'd pretty much get a Grade 5 mk38 trap & a grade 5 sporter I should think.

Again, the MK38 sporters are as flat as a fluke and nose heavy IMO due to the addition of multi-chokes without doing anything to redress the balance. In-fact there can be little difference between an MK70 sporter and an MK38 sporter save for the rubber recoil pad! One sporter I had hold of recently which seemed better was a Browning 525 which seemed higher in the comb with nice balance, though it was a 30" rather than a 32". I think the advantage of being used to one gun and shooting it at everything far out-weighs any advantage you may anticipate by shooting sporters at sporting and trap guns at trap etc. Trap gun for everything!!

 

[martin_b]

Again, the MK38 sporters are as flat as a fluke and nose heavy IMO due to the addition of multi-chokes without doing anything to redress the balance. In-fact there can be little difference between an MK70 sporter and an MK38 sporter save for the rubber recoil pad! One sporter I had hold of recently which seemed better was a Browning 525 which seemed higher in the comb with nice balance, though it was a 30" rather than a 32". I think the advantage of being used to one gun and shooting it at everything far out-weighs any advantage you may anticipate by shooting sporters at sporting and trap guns at trap etc. Trap gun for everything!!

I like the first post regarding the MK38 Grade 5. They are a beautiful gun and bullet proof....

I personally shoot 90% Sporting with the odd got at DT or Skeet and I use the MK38 32" Sporter. I've used many other makes which have cost far more and not enjoyed the experience anymore.

For £7k you'd pretty much get a Grade 5 mk38 trap & a grade 5 sporter I should think.

But one £6K gun would look a lot better to me at least than 2x £3K guns.  Maybe I'm in the minority but I don't clay shoot to break clay's, I shoot to relax and to enjoy the fluffy rabbits , as long as i hit a few I'm happy. Its the same with my other great love fly fishing, the journey matters more than the destination.

 

[Rosso]

You've worked all your life, retiring, want to buy yourself something, nothing wrong with that, buy something special before your kids get it. Buy a K or Perrazi or high end Blaser, spend the £7000, Ed can help with the K. Fantastic gun. Get adjustable stock you can adjust it any way you like. 

Don't go cheap.

Keep smiling every time you pull the trigger.

 

[ips]

Nowt wrong with nice aspirational guns or anything else that floats yet boat. As rosso says spend it, the kids can always sell it ?

 

[DKGibbs]

But one £6K gun would look a lot better to me at least than 2x £3K guns.  Maybe I'm in the minority but I don't clay shoot to break clay's, I shoot to relax and to enjoy the fluffy rabbits, as long as i hit a few Im happy. Its the same with my other great love fly fishing, the journey matters more than the destination.

If having a pretty gun is what you like then buy one that you like to look at.

I personally shy away from expensive guns with lovely wood when they are to be used on clays.... they get bumped and scratched in racks and hit by clays etc

I have a pair for mk60 high pheasant 32" grade 5 for game shooting and then a mk38 32" sporter grade 1 for clay shooting. I don't care if it gets hit by clays etc, I'd hate to be worried to use a gun.

Re: firing pin issues......

I've not have any issues with any of mine Miroku's? Mk60's are 2012 models and seen a good bit of use and my grade 1 is 2014 and shot 50k + with no issue.

And my comb on the sporter had to be lowered? As I was seeing way to much comb?

Any how for £7K you'll get a lovely gun

 

[martin_b]

You've worked all your life, retiring, want to buy yourself something, nothing wrong with that, buy something special before your kids get it. Buy a K or Perrazi or high end Blaser, spend the £7000, Ed can help with the K. Fantastic gun. Get adjustable stock you can adjust it any way you like. 

Don't go cheap.

Keep smiling every time you pull the trigger.

You've got it..  cheers.

 

[Rosso]

You've got it..  cheers.

I'v done it cheers ? See Ed.

 

[martin_b]

If having a pretty gun is what you like then buy one that you like to look at.

I personally shy away from expensive guns with lovely wood when they are to be used on clays.... they get bumped and scratched in racks and hit by clays etc

I have a pair for mk60 high pheasant 32" grade 5 for game shooting and then a mk38 32" sporter grade 1 for clay shooting. I don't care if it gets hit by clays etc, I'd hate to be worried to use a gun.

Re: firing pin issues......

I've not have any issues with any of mine Miroku's? Mk60's are 2012 models and seen a good bit of use and my grade 1 is 2014 and shot 50k + with no issue.

And my comb on the sporter had to be lowered? As I was seeing way to much comb?

Any how for £7K you'll get a lovely gun

I know what you mean about pretty gun', but then IMHO if you stop using it, it ceases to be a gun and becomes a work of art?  I really admire Nick Mason for racing his 250GTO round Goodwood because that's what it was built for.

 

[Darkside]

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I have a mk38 32" sporter grade 1 for clay shooting. I don't care if it gets hit by clays etc, I'd hate to be worried to use a gun.

And my comb on the sporter had to be lowered? As I was seeing way to much comb?

...it's a LOT easier to remove some wood than to add it on!!! 

I take it you 'think' you were seeing too much RIB...if you were seeing too much comb while you were shooting...WOW...it really must have been some comb!!!

 

[westley]

I'v done it cheers ? See Ed.

Er......................that wouldn't be taking that Parrot to see the 'Eddie the Eagle movie then, .............would it ??

 

[Les53]

Its your money, if you want to spend silly money on a gun, just do it! I've done it a few times. Forget the flippin kids too, let them earn their own money, go buy a nice gun! Such guns never made me shoot any better, but that's not why I bought them!

 

[Cosmicblue]

+1, there is a pleasure in getting a lovely gun out of the cabinet and knowing you are going to have fun with a beautiful piece of kit that's purpose designed for the job in hand.

I'm going to have a go at Olympic trap  at Bisley next week on one of these CPSA have-a-go sessions, let's see how the DSR does with that..