The AGM

[Richard59]

Mr 274368, which bracket of CPSA members that so offends do you fall into? If you think it needs fixing, you can't influence form the outside etc

 

[Jeremy Baker]

My CPSA membership expires in a few days, I won't be renewing. Not only am I disappointed by the appalling way the organisation is run (the blatent spinning of the arbitration result was the last straw), i'm equally disappointed by the laziness of my fellow competitors. They're happy to bury their heads in the sand as the organisation that is supposed to represent their interests screws them over. They moan but cannot be bothered to do anything to make the situation better. Quite franky, they get what they deserve.It's NSSA skeet for me. I'll join an organisation that values it's members and has the courage to admit its mistakes.

Just a quickie. Did you vote?

 

[ips]

For the record some of us dont moan about the Cpsa. We just shoot reg comps every week look at our averages and read pull mag. Happy in our ignorance. Thankfully there are people who understand the politics and presumably enjoy getting involved but i dont see how i am expected to vote for something i dont understand fully.

 

[Westward]

as the organisation that is supposed to represent their interests screws them over.

In what way have I been screwed over? I'm too long in the tooth to get my arse in a knot because the chairman or the board or the CEO are more interested in playing politics and tinkering with trivialities than running an efficient organisation.

Don't just quit because then you're guilty of what you're accusing the rest of doing, start a rival governing body to do it properly. Oh, and wait 10 years, then guess what? Same no hope management, same weak kneed directors, same crap politicking, same machinations, same bitching & moaning and for all the same reasons as now.

Take a look at any organisation that isn't bound by commercial rules, they're all corrupt. How about local government, most charities and NGOs.

The only thing in favour of democracy is that the other systems are worse.

 

[Berettabowen]

We couldn't make it to the AGM-so firstly can I thank Nicola for handling our proxy votes and to both her and Sarah for the regular and succinct updates both prior to and after the AGM

In most types of organisations only a minority want to get involved-and that's fine if that's how it is-but without that small but important and meaningful involvement,yesterday would not have gone the way it did!

 

[Mr Potter]

 Any prospective Sponsor reading about the the the shambles at the CPSA and the appalling lack of interest by the membership viz proxy returns, would be well advised to keep his money in his pocket.

Why would a prospective sponsor be interested in the percentage of members who return proxy votes to the AGM?  The only thing a sponsor is or should be interested in is a potential return on investment.  If they sponsor a shooter, a championship or whatever they expect to sell more of their product, simples. 

To the subject of apathy, guilty as charged but I strongly suspect that is the case with absolutely all minority sports.  Do you expect the governing body for (to name but a few) British Table Tennis, Snooker, Tennis, Cycling et al. to have memberships who all, or the vast majority, either turn up or appoint a proxy, because I don't.

I think that the "silent" majority are grateful for those that are bothered, that do take the time to attend meetings, to write up or just read minutes and the thousand and one other time consuming activities that the committed membership do that us plebs don't.  However as has been said before that's how it is and, perhaps. unfortunately, will continue to be so, it's a fact of life.

Mr Potter 

 

[RobertBeard]

We couldn't make it to the AGM-so firstly can I thank Nicola for handling our proxy votes and to both her and Sarah for the regular and succinct updates both prior to and after the AGM
In most types of organisations only a minority want to get involved-and that's fine if that's how it is-but without that small but important and meaningful involvement,yesterday would not have gone the way it did!

Well said!

Very remiss of me not to have done the same!

Many thanks to Nicola for taking my proxy and to Sara and those who made the Board take a pragmatic stance rather than proceed like bulls in a china shop

 

[Chard]

Well you know what.............I am going to join you now IPS..... :smile:

After 23,000 Cpsa members could not be arsed to return a vote, when it comes on a form in Pull magazine....with a postage paid return.....leaving just around 800 people who did.........then my feelings are that I cannot be arsed any longer either.......I am going shooting.

From now on I will probably just sit back and watch.

Amen.

 

[ips]

Well said Mr p

my thoughts exactly.

 

[Westward]

Well you know what.............I am going to join you now IPS..... :smile:

After 23,000 Cpsa members could not be arsed to return a vote, when it comes on a form in Pull magazine....with a postage paid return.....leaving just around 800 people who did.........then my feelings are that I cannot be arsed any longer either.......I am going shooting.

From now on I will probably just sit back and watch.

Good plan. Think Don Quixote...

 

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To Westy and Chard.......

Up yours..... :smile:

I did not say that I would not be talking about it any more. I can guarantee you that I will always have something to say...and love pointing out the obvious.

The job now is to get the Articles cast iron correct and that should stop the silly buggering about. Consultation period out to the regions for discussion......Hmmm should land on our desks by about this time next year then :smile:

 

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Good plan. Think Don Quixote...

Name calling.....Up yours Westy.......

I can assure you that i am very very handy with a horse and a lance.....

And the Spanish art of pig sticking.

I was born on a horse :smile:

 

[ips]

Mini ips used to do tent peging on the cav horses

Dont know if thats anything like pig sticking.

Sorry way off topic

 

[Lock Stock & Barrel]

What was pathetic is that only about 800 out of 23,000 returned a vote.

From the entire national membership?! FFS.

If you don't vote, you can't bitch-n-whine. Pathetic number of votes returned.

 

[paulos]

800 out of 23,000 isn't all that great. I expect however that its not such a bad return from the few thousand that actually use their membership to shoot registered competitions.

 

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I was told at the AGM that baring a few the serious competition members did not vote.

I have been ringing around several of them since and I am finding out that this is true. Within a few weeks i will have contacted a large amount of them. Several people spoken to did not even know that there was a proxy form in the envelope with the Pull magazine...!!

So it leads me to ask.......just what demographic did vote.

 

[Jonathan Sargent]

Are serious competitor votes worth more than other people's?

Or do you think they should care more about the politics?

Confused by the perception here?

 

[wylye]

I was told at the AGM that baring a few the serious competition members did not vote.

I have been ringing around several of them since and I am finding out that this is true. Within a few weeks i will have contacted a large amount of them. Several people spoken to did not even know that there was a proxy form in the envelope with the Pull magazine...!!

So it leads me to ask.......just what demographic did vote.

People with lots of time on their hands who don't go out much.

 

[** Pending Removal **]

Are serious competitor votes worth more than other people's?

Or do you think they should care more about the politics?

Confused by the perception here?

They are proven stats to always be members, they do not tend to drift in and out like the members who are not bothered about competitions.

Strange that you should make your point in that way rather than 'thinking' about what was said first.

Did you vote by the way???

 

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People with lots of time on their hands who don't go out much.

You know that do you.??? You think that .......do you .....??....about other members of the forum who voted and those who attended in person.??
Or.....like the miserable Yarkshire man that you are.......are you just trying to score points of those who 'did' go and who 'did' stop the un safe resolution from going through.....in order to save the 'sorry arses' like yours...?

You mean those members who had far better things to do with their Saturday.......yet they still took the time to go in the snow to discuss this important topic....?

You mean those that have no financial reward from being connected to the sport as a simple Cpsa member......rather than a ground owner who goes on forums to make friends.....or entertain his new pals at his ground......and yet constantly slags off those who are trying to inform the membership ???? (Or do you believe everything you read in the newspapers). Maybe you should read the arbitrators ruling on the EMR complaint and see exactly what he thinks of how the board uses the Pull magazine and the website.

Or maybe you could give us a view on how the board (since the AGM last year) spent £32,000 of our members money on solicitors for one item (EMR complaint) when the EMR did not spend a penny.........and how all this expensive advice was ruled by the arbitrator as wrong......the case authorities they cited were not applicable (Foss v Harbottle.......FFS this is junior learning case studies :laugh: which happened in the mid 1800's........nearly 200 years old :smile: )

Pathetic Ian .....is not a strong enough word for they way I want to describe your input on any subject to do with our governance.

Seeing as your weekend ground is only open a few days a month, I would have thought that you would have had time on your hands to have filled in a vote.........pathetic...!!