There is no 'Magic' Gun
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I HAVE the magic gun, it does not go off until it is 'on target'. Mind you there are occasions when it does not go off, when it is 'on target' !
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EdSolomons
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I think a lot of people openly enjoy buying new kit more than shooting big scores, which is just as good a reason as any if that's what floats your boat!
gun fit is a tricky one because almost every person has a different view of what's "right". I remember a well thought of chap telling me how poorly my gun fitted me 10 days before I won the world FiTASC! I'm of the view that if it can be mounted consistently, is comfortable to shoot and you see enough rob then it's right! How you choose to get there varies from person to person.
i have preferences for how I would like people's guns to be set, however unless it's miles off I won't make any changes until I have seen them shoot as the two things can be very different from in the club house to out on the range!
gun fit is a tricky one because almost every person has a different view of what's "right". I remember a well thought of chap telling me how poorly my gun fitted me 10 days before I won the world FiTASC! I'm of the view that if it can be mounted consistently, is comfortable to shoot and you see enough rob then it's right! How you choose to get there varies from person to person.
i have preferences for how I would like people's guns to be set, however unless it's miles off I won't make any changes until I have seen them shoot as the two things can be very different from in the club house to out on the range!
andypandy
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Perfect gun fit depends on who fitted it! Seventeen years ago I bought a brand new fitted to me 30" Kemen from Mike Meggison, who without doubt knows his stuff! Over the years, I've put weight on, lost weight, eyesight has changed, backs gone, necks gone (now got 30% disability). I shot some good scores and some crap scores with the Kemen, then in September I fancied a change and the main reason was, I could, its my money and I can spend it how I like!
So new Blaser 32" Vantage with an adjustable stock was purchased, off the shelf, I set it up how I wanted and guess what, my scores haven't magically improved, nor have they crashed, but I am enjoying shooting my new gun.
So what does that say about gun fit and the quote "have you had it fitted"?
So new Blaser 32" Vantage with an adjustable stock was purchased, off the shelf, I set it up how I wanted and guess what, my scores haven't magically improved, nor have they crashed, but I am enjoying shooting my new gun.
So what does that say about gun fit and the quote "have you had it fitted"?
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I'm defiantly no expert...... but in the 5-6 years I have been shooting I have come to notice that everyone is "right" on what the correct gun fit and stance etc. should be. I say that because everyone has built there own opinion on the thing that works for them and that's "how it should be done".
frankly opinions are like arseholes everybody has one... its the same in any hobby.
take fishing for example everyone has their favorite bait be it bread,corn or even home made boilies and whatever it is...its the bait "you should be using" to catch the most fish because that guy said so.
at the end of the day it all works as long as it works for you and thats what matters..its such a personal thing
frankly opinions are like arseholes everybody has one... its the same in any hobby.
take fishing for example everyone has their favorite bait be it bread,corn or even home made boilies and whatever it is...its the bait "you should be using" to catch the most fish because that guy said so.
at the end of the day it all works as long as it works for you and thats what matters..its such a personal thing
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Wonko the Sane
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In keeping with "everyone's an expert" and that worthy's advice to you I will offer that you're absolutely right in the above with the addition, or substitution, of "and it shoots where you want it to" (provided you do your own part of course) - - me not being a rib conscious kinda guy.
And of course people do use a variety of approaches and do well and often that is in spite of themselves. Biomechanically there are optimum approaches to anything and shooting is no exception. The fact that one can ignore that to some extent is testimony to what I mentioned before about shooting being simple. Ignoring it and doing OK does not preclude that doing things a proper way will improve performance.
JMO of course - y'all have a good time
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Doctor Lecter
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well for a quid at orston I got a marked cardboard pattern plate and safe area to play , I shot at board 15 yards away and the gun shot where I was looking bang on in fact , I used about 6 shells and all was consistent , I had several experts telling me different things , so what is the correct test ?
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EdSolomons
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The correct test is bin the board, and shoot a close ish straight away and straight incommer. If you are smoking them up in a comfortable and consistent manner then your gun is good! If not I'd be looking to tweak.
Wonko the Sane
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I never shoot the board close because I'm not interested in close. 30-40 yds tells me if things are wrong but I use tight chokes and it is easy to see where the impact is. Works for me, but of course ........................
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To quote Andypandy:-
Perfect gun fit depends on who fitted it! Seventeen years ago I bought a brand new fitted to me 30" Kemen from Mike Meggison, who without doubt knows his stuff! Over the years, I've put weight on, lost weight, eyesight has changed, backs gone, necks gone (now got 30% disability). I shot some good scores and some crap scores with the Kemen, then in September I fancied a change and the main reason was, I could, its my money and I can spend it how I like!
So new Blaser 32" Vantage with an adjustable stock was purchased, off the shelf, I set it up how I wanted and guess what, my scores haven't magically improved, nor have they crashed, but I am enjoying shooting my new gun.
So what does that say about gun fit and the quote "have you had it fitted"?
So Andy , you have had your new gun fitted by yourself, using all the gadgets available that are adjustable, so it no longer is an off the shelf gun, it has been fitted to suit you.
This is exactly my point mentioned in the first post, many many people have guns that fit them perfectly well , that they have achieved very good results with, but that desire is still there for change in search of the gun that brings instant improvement.
The point I was illustrating is that many will spend vast amounts on a change of gun , but very little on having a gun that fits badly , to have it altered or corrected.
With regard to gunfitting , this can be a total waste of money for someone who has not developed a consistent gunmount or is continually changing something that will effect gunfit such as stance.
Many people say that they shoot well and have never had their gun fitted, but those same people will shoot poorly with a badly fitted gun.
Gunfit is not the be all and solution to good shooting , but it is a contributory factor.
Perfect gun fit depends on who fitted it! Seventeen years ago I bought a brand new fitted to me 30" Kemen from Mike Meggison, who without doubt knows his stuff! Over the years, I've put weight on, lost weight, eyesight has changed, backs gone, necks gone (now got 30% disability). I shot some good scores and some crap scores with the Kemen, then in September I fancied a change and the main reason was, I could, its my money and I can spend it how I like!
So new Blaser 32" Vantage with an adjustable stock was purchased, off the shelf, I set it up how I wanted and guess what, my scores haven't magically improved, nor have they crashed, but I am enjoying shooting my new gun.
So what does that say about gun fit and the quote "have you had it fitted"?
So Andy , you have had your new gun fitted by yourself, using all the gadgets available that are adjustable, so it no longer is an off the shelf gun, it has been fitted to suit you.
This is exactly my point mentioned in the first post, many many people have guns that fit them perfectly well , that they have achieved very good results with, but that desire is still there for change in search of the gun that brings instant improvement.
The point I was illustrating is that many will spend vast amounts on a change of gun , but very little on having a gun that fits badly , to have it altered or corrected.
With regard to gunfitting , this can be a total waste of money for someone who has not developed a consistent gunmount or is continually changing something that will effect gunfit such as stance.
Many people say that they shoot well and have never had their gun fitted, but those same people will shoot poorly with a badly fitted gun.
Gunfit is not the be all and solution to good shooting , but it is a contributory factor.
With regards the 'fitting' my guns have had...
"What you got?"
"DT11"
"It don't fit you mate!!!"
"How do you know? You haven't seen it!!!"
luaghs-"One look at you tells me it don't fit!!!"
I take the gun out, mount it, fit myself round the gun, and say,
"See, it fits..."
pad comes off and some washers get slipped over the screws that hold the pad on to lengthen the pull, more top than bottom to change pitch. Mounted it again and thought,
"That feels better"
Next a large pile of paper towels got folded over the comb, taped on, mounted it again, another pile of paper towels got taped on, mounted it again,
"Spot on" says Ben
"F*ck'n hell...never seen so much rib!!!"
"Don't look at the rib, look at the clay..."
Shot with it like that for over a year, then got an adjustable comb fitted. Set that up myself.
The Krieghoff...changed the sporter stock for a trap stock, took it out round a sporting 50 bird shoot with the Allen key for the adjustable comb,
first stand...needs more height, screwed it up a bit
second stand...seems ok
third stand...overhead going away battue, had to almost blot it out, needs more height, screwed it up
forth stand...incomer below feet, breaks on the high side, screwed it half way back from last stand
fith stand...in the middle of everything, done
Got a lesson with Ben a few weeks later, checked gunfit...bang on. Then Ben pulled the beads off, leaving a little threaded post where the end bead would drew onto, he explains how to shoot a K80, we take the Allen key out and shoot to confirm it was shooting where I look, one minor adjustment and we are there...
The main thing I got from having my gun 'fitted' was it taught me what/how the gun should fit and that you shouldn't have to contort your body to 'fit' the gun!!!
"What you got?"
"DT11"
"It don't fit you mate!!!"
"How do you know? You haven't seen it!!!"
luaghs-"One look at you tells me it don't fit!!!"
I take the gun out, mount it, fit myself round the gun, and say,
"See, it fits..."
pad comes off and some washers get slipped over the screws that hold the pad on to lengthen the pull, more top than bottom to change pitch. Mounted it again and thought,
"That feels better"
Next a large pile of paper towels got folded over the comb, taped on, mounted it again, another pile of paper towels got taped on, mounted it again,
"Spot on" says Ben
"F*ck'n hell...never seen so much rib!!!"
"Don't look at the rib, look at the clay..."
Shot with it like that for over a year, then got an adjustable comb fitted. Set that up myself.
The Krieghoff...changed the sporter stock for a trap stock, took it out round a sporting 50 bird shoot with the Allen key for the adjustable comb,
first stand...needs more height, screwed it up a bit
second stand...seems ok
third stand...overhead going away battue, had to almost blot it out, needs more height, screwed it up
forth stand...incomer below feet, breaks on the high side, screwed it half way back from last stand
fith stand...in the middle of everything, done
Got a lesson with Ben a few weeks later, checked gunfit...bang on. Then Ben pulled the beads off, leaving a little threaded post where the end bead would drew onto, he explains how to shoot a K80, we take the Allen key out and shoot to confirm it was shooting where I look, one minor adjustment and we are there...
The main thing I got from having my gun 'fitted' was it taught me what/how the gun should fit and that you shouldn't have to contort your body to 'fit' the gun!!!
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Sometimes a change can be very good for your shooting, maybe you have lost a little confidence with your current gun, maybe you want something that might have a little less felt recoil, maybe you have a spare £15k and want [insert any expensive gun]. What does get confusing is when you see people change guns they are shooting really well with and in some instances winning with! I don't tend to change too often BUT if I find I am struggling with a gun it generally goes, strangely I always seem to go back to Miroku's... weird.
If I had some serious spare cash I would probably have a gun made from scratch, but I dont so the MK38 is safe for now...
If I had some serious spare cash I would probably have a gun made from scratch, but I dont so the MK38 is safe for now...
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Absolutely, pattern plates are the work of the devil! After all, you never shoot your shotgun like a rifle!
Actually,
I will have to disagree that Pattern Boards are a waste of time.
They are extremely good for correct gunfitting and helping to sort out badly made guns.
As an example, if the barrels do not shoot anywhere near each other how would you know what to do if you were just shooting a simple incomer or going away and were consistently missing with one of the barrels ? Where ? High? Low? Left ?Right?
Beads also have their uses especially centre beads, it is surprising how many cant their barrels and/or misalign them.
I am not for or against beads , but they do have uses.
But we are wondering far off track from the original post, to which the answer is probably because they can afford to and it is none of my business.
I will have to disagree that Pattern Boards are a waste of time.
They are extremely good for correct gunfitting and helping to sort out badly made guns.
As an example, if the barrels do not shoot anywhere near each other how would you know what to do if you were just shooting a simple incomer or going away and were consistently missing with one of the barrels ? Where ? High? Low? Left ?Right?
Beads also have their uses especially centre beads, it is surprising how many cant their barrels and/or misalign them.
I am not for or against beads , but they do have uses.
But we are wondering far off track from the original post, to which the answer is probably because they can afford to and it is none of my business.
paul b
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Whats wrong with a can't aj smith was renowned for it ,and i love a can't .
