Biggest difference I find between club shoots or strawbalers and reg is the amount of lead some of them need. that pair of l-r at the top of the track is a prime example, the first bird you would see a lot at club shoots but the second hardly ever. Very rare a club shoot puts on a bird that has a delay between bang and break! But as with the simo pair, that thinking can trip you up/wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-yell.gif