schmokinn
Well-known member
Within reason not at all.
Theres no substitute for patterning your gun with several cartridges.For a longer range target would a faster cartridge or a larger shot size be more effective, using a 3/4 choked gun?
No and maybe,maybe depends on what you call distance and luck.For a longer range target would a faster cartridge or a larger shot size be more effective, using a 3/4 choked gun?
Small shot size used in clay shooting loses velocity very quickly so regardless of the muzzle velocity by the time the shot has traveled around 25 to 30 yards it will be travelling at the virtually the identical velocity.No and maybe,maybe depends on what you call distance and luck.
If you say so , but fortunately I don’t have to take your BS advice either."however shot time down the barrel will be different which can make a difference to perceived lead"
If you actually believe that i would give up shooting right now!
The immense amount of BS posted on here sometimes makes me cry with laughter
The few times I’ve used an expensive high speed cartridge, I’ve been so distracted by the unpleasant recoil that I’m not sure I noticed what happened otherwise.Cartridge speed is unimportant.
Consistency is important.
The only thing I've noticed with really fast cartridges, is the recoil goes up.
Didn't give you any advice ergo it cannot be BS...i would suggest you explore the laws of physics,get some common sense and and properly investigate the crap you have copied and pasted from Google before embaressing yourself!If you say so , but fortunately I don’t have to take your BS advice either.
If you look at the simple calculation I did earlier 100 fps difference over the full 40 yards means the maximum a clay travelling at 40 mph moves is about 3 inches, obviously in the real world it will be less than 3” due to the velocities involved not being constant and everything slowing.however shot time down the barrel will be different which can make a difference to perceived lead, so find a cartridge you like price wise, recoil, availability and stick with it.
You probaly know far more than me Timps but i was under the impression that the load accelerated all the way down the barrel due to expanding gases and reached its maximum as it left the end of the barrel or is that what you said?If you look at the simple calculation I did earlier 100 fps difference over the full 40 yards means the maximum a clay travelling at 40 mph moves is about 3 inches, obviously in the real world it will be less than 3” due to the velocities involved not being constant and everything slowing.
Just taking the time spent in a 32” barrel means that for every 100 fps increase in velocity a clay travelling at constant 40 mph has moved 0.1 of an inch.
Perceived leads are not going to change with 0.1 inch increments, what you are saying is you have to cut back your lead by 0.3 of an inch (7 mm) because you are now using 1400 fps rather than 1100 fps.
As with the other calculation it will be less in the real world as it doesn't take into account acceleration and deceleration of everything involved but just indicates perceived lead doesn't really change and just in the eye of the beholder.
I know there seems to be issues with “experts” and science, but for what it’s worth (very little I’d guess) from what I have read from “experts” (not making any personal claims to be of superior intelligence to others) The shot reaches (“maximum”) full velocity within 30-50cm. I do believe this is the reason 24” (61cm) barrels are the legal limit (info from various sources)You probaly know far more than me Timps but i was under the impression that the load accelerated all the way down the barrel due to expanding gases and reached its maximum as it left the end of the barrel or is that what you said?
28g of shot in the shot cup be it 9 or ssg shot makes no difference at all...it is still 28g of lead behaving as one projectile.
Once it leaves the barrel and seperates the differing size of shot will then be effected by physical forces to a greater or lesser extent.
Therefore this statement is BULLsh*t "however shot time down the barrel will be different which can make a difference to perceived lead"
In simple terms yes, however ‘most’ modern cartridges will do the bulk of the acceleration in the first 10” then after that it will continue to accelerate but at a greatly reduced rate, but its maximum velocity will be at the end of the barrel. We then have the fact choke can increase velocity but I am not getting into that one again.You probaly know far more than me Timps but i was under the impression that the load accelerated all the way down the barrel due to expanding gases and reached its maximum as it left the end of the barrel or is that what you said?
Most Cartridge manufacturers use a test rig so the bore and choke are the best design to get the most velocity out of them and not always realistic to what you shoot. In the UK manufacturers tend to measure observed velocity at 2.5m then some calculations to work out the muzzle velocity.@timps Just for clarity, not that it makes much of any difference to debate, the velocity quoted by manufacturers, isn’t that measured at something like one meter from the muzzle?
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