HDAV
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It's only a hobby to most, hardly life and death is it its clay shooting (sport/hobby/pastime) whether you are a potential national team member or not
CPSA vs BASC - insurance
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Yes that is true...but hobbies are different to 'a sport'. A credible sport is funded by the government to make Olympians......Or...shooters passions to win...whether it be a national or club competition or a World championship. And for that we need competition shooters. It is not a sport...without competitors.
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Yeap agreed.....as I said above....a passion to win makes great competition shooters....who live and breath shooting....
Just like us IPS....it is no hobby to us....but ....to many people it is just a hobby....and that is fine.
Just like us IPS....it is no hobby to us....but ....to many people it is just a hobby....and that is fine.
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If i wasn't competetive then i would pack up shooting tomorrow
People will spend hundreds and thousands on guns,ammo and add to that driving to the ground and entry fees only to not give a toss whether they shoot well or not claiming its just a hobby and a bloody expensive one at that..
People will spend hundreds and thousands on guns,ammo and add to that driving to the ground and entry fees only to not give a toss whether they shoot well or not claiming its just a hobby and a bloody expensive one at that..
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in your scenario
is it possible that people who say there not bothered and that's its just a hobby are actually very bothered but hide behind there not being bothered persona as an excuse for not being as good as the others on the day ?
Does anyone ever do anything and not want to win, Mrs ips and I play scrabble when we are away in caravan am i bothered about winning her, darned right i am and so is she. It is imo human nature to compete it is after all how we survived the ice age its a darwinian thing and anyone who says otherwise is imo delusional.
in your scenario
is it possible that people who say there not bothered and that's its just a hobby are actually very bothered but hide behind there not being bothered persona as an excuse for not being as good as the others on the day ?
Does anyone ever do anything and not want to win, Mrs ips and I play scrabble when we are away in caravan am i bothered about winning her, darned right i am and so is she. It is imo human nature to compete it is after all how we survived the ice age its a darwinian thing and anyone who says otherwise is imo delusional.
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:wink: I want to win in anything I do......just cannot help it....maybe I am really a hunter gatherer...!!
It was the same with the horses and skiing. Always have to compete at everything.
But I recognise that some view shooting just as a hobby and to go for a ping with their mates on a Sunday.
We need everyone in this sport for survival.
It was the same with the horses and skiing. Always have to compete at everything.
But I recognise that some view shooting just as a hobby and to go for a ping with their mates on a Sunday.
We need everyone in this sport for survival.
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Tink I'm the same, although I'm not so sure its competitive I would describe it more as 'realistic perfectionism' :biggrin: . My SCTA membership covers me to a certain extent but I do need to look into insurance a bit further and at the moment BASC looks the best bet.
Tink I'm the same, although I'm not so sure its competitive I would describe it more as 'realistic perfectionism' :biggrin: . My SCTA membership covers me to a certain extent but I do need to look into insurance a bit further and at the moment BASC looks the best bet.
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Thats true, hobbies are different to sports, but sports are hobbies (unless you are a pro)
Unfortunately the uber passionate, eat sleep breed brigade are probably the reason that there are so few competition shooters and numbers are so low.....
Everybody wants to win, everyone wants to do well, but enjoying it is a massive part of the deal, no one is going to spend the time and money for something they don't enjoy are they? Whether you win or not if people dont enjoy it they wont do it........
Perhaps that the problem people just don't enjoy it!
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eh ?
I am a self confessed eat sleep brigade member. How am i effecting competition numbers exactly ?
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I'm an NGO member http://www.nationalgamekeepers.org.uk/join-the-national-gamekeepers-organisation.
As a Clay Shooter, Game Shooter and Field Trialer two of my hobbies wouldn't exist without them. I'll be shooting their Golden Grouse 100 bird clay shoot next week. At £40 inclusive of cartridges and lunch you cant go wrong.
As a Clay Shooter, Game Shooter and Field Trialer two of my hobbies wouldn't exist without them. I'll be shooting their Golden Grouse 100 bird clay shoot next week. At £40 inclusive of cartridges and lunch you cant go wrong.
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For what it's worth...
When politicians say "we failed to get our message across" what they should be saying is "we have the wrong message" stay with me for a minute...
From my observations most of these shooting organisations lead with the 'join us we have good insurance' mantra first then dress it up with other benefits. this is short sighted and wrong in my opinion.
Many of us I presume have house insurance which covers you for Public Liablity. Technically you do not need separate insurance to go shooting. I believe if you had an instance where you may need insurance to cover you 'some' of these policies would defer to the 'other' insurance the shooter may have in place. You could be paying for insurance that would not cover you. Miss-selling story here if I ever saw one.
I am a competitive beast, and have joined the CPSA (through the back door via WCTSA) primarily to feed my desire to compete etc not for the insurance, it's an incidental if you will.
For me these organisations have the wrong message. I would drop the insurance angle alltogether and find something unique with which to lead on that will work in the target market place, be that competition or fields sports or whatever.
What I would like to see is another outfit go up against CPSA. A bit if competition would help to improve things (no pun intended)
It's not rocket science...
When politicians say "we failed to get our message across" what they should be saying is "we have the wrong message" stay with me for a minute...
From my observations most of these shooting organisations lead with the 'join us we have good insurance' mantra first then dress it up with other benefits. this is short sighted and wrong in my opinion.
Many of us I presume have house insurance which covers you for Public Liablity. Technically you do not need separate insurance to go shooting. I believe if you had an instance where you may need insurance to cover you 'some' of these policies would defer to the 'other' insurance the shooter may have in place. You could be paying for insurance that would not cover you. Miss-selling story here if I ever saw one.
I am a competitive beast, and have joined the CPSA (through the back door via WCTSA) primarily to feed my desire to compete etc not for the insurance, it's an incidental if you will.
For me these organisations have the wrong message. I would drop the insurance angle alltogether and find something unique with which to lead on that will work in the target market place, be that competition or fields sports or whatever.
What I would like to see is another outfit go up against CPSA. A bit if competition would help to improve things (no pun intended)
It's not rocket science...
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As someone who is new to all this, I was slightly confused as to which organisation to join. I thought I should have one or the other, since shooting grounds seem to want to know your membership number (presumably to show you have 3rd party insurance), and secondly, I thought the associations might be a useful source of information for someone starting out.
In the end, I selected the CPSA as I thought I would be mainly shooting clays, rather than live quarry. I went for Clubman membership, as I am not intending to shoot competitively for a good while yet (if at all). What attracted me to this level was the CPSA website explicitly stating that, apart from competition entries, the 'member benefits are identical'. You can see the full text at www.cpsa.co.uk/full-or-clubman-membership
I received my welcome pack on Friday, and was surprised to read on the very first page that 'if I upgrade my membership to full, I would then receive the valuable book of member discounts'. I checked online, and sure enough, my membership class does not allow access to the discount/bonus section.
So, at which point are the membership benefits 'identical', then? I have queried this via the contact page at the CPSA website, but haven't seen a reply yet.
I'm a bit disgruntled, to say the least. It sounds petty, I know, but faced with the set-up costs in this sport, every discount helps!
Jonathan
In the end, I selected the CPSA as I thought I would be mainly shooting clays, rather than live quarry. I went for Clubman membership, as I am not intending to shoot competitively for a good while yet (if at all). What attracted me to this level was the CPSA website explicitly stating that, apart from competition entries, the 'member benefits are identical'. You can see the full text at www.cpsa.co.uk/full-or-clubman-membership
I received my welcome pack on Friday, and was surprised to read on the very first page that 'if I upgrade my membership to full, I would then receive the valuable book of member discounts'. I checked online, and sure enough, my membership class does not allow access to the discount/bonus section.
So, at which point are the membership benefits 'identical', then? I have queried this via the contact page at the CPSA website, but haven't seen a reply yet.
I'm a bit disgruntled, to say the least. It sounds petty, I know, but faced with the set-up costs in this sport, every discount helps!
Jonathan
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Full membership is only any good if you intend to shoot comps and want your scrores recorded and to get averages. If you don't want to do that, then Clubman makes sense!
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