Gun fit/pitch of stock

[snipey]

Is it not a very small difference in cast or toe in / out. Very small differences can have a huge effect on gun fit.

I would agree with you, which is why I expected the stock switch to make the difference, but it doesn't!?

 

[Andy S]

Doesn't the DT10X have a raised rib compared to the sporter rib, as the the raised rib will mean your head is in a different position, i.e. more upright than your sporter, which may give the same mounting position when the stocks were swopped over.

 

[snipey]

Doesn't the DT10X have a raised rib compared to the sporter rib, as the the raised rib will mean your head is in a different position, i.e. more upright than your sporter, which may give the same mounting position when the stocks were swopped over.

Yeah it does, however I raised the comb so that I had the same sight picture; took the adjuster to the very top plus 5 pieces of cartridge box. It didn't look pretty, but it proved a point, no bruising today! Also after speaking to a friend, he suggested a way to check the cast and there is quite a difference:

So this gives me further food for thought ! Not only do I need the pitch altered AND shortened, I know need the cast altered! I'm really thinking that the custom stock is going to be the way forward, ill phone Dennis tomorrow to discuss my options!

 

[Salopian]

I would be very interested how you came to do those two drawings of your different stocks butts?

 

[snipey]

I would be very interested how you came to do those two drawings of your different stocks butts?

I taped the paper to the floor below a door frame (to make sure it didn't move), I then aligned the rib/barrels to a door frame along the entire length. This allowed me to repeat the alignment for both stocks. I realise that it's only rudimentary measurement but it certainly aligns with how the two stocks feel whilst shooting I.e why the trap bruises yet the the Sporter doesn't!

 

[Irishgunner]

Do both of them mount to the same height in your shoulder

 

[ips]

It doesn't really matter why one fits one doesn't end of. It is down to gun fit or rather lack of and that's that.

 

[snipey]

Do both of them mount to the same height in your shoulder

When as separate guns no, because the x trap is a high rib. When I shot the Sporter stock on the trap gun, they were as close to the same height in the shoulder with the same sight picture!

It doesn't really matter why one fits one doesn't end of. It is down to gun fit or rather lack of and that's that.

I quite agree, it was merely an aid to understand what was wrong; as well as helping me decide how to move forward!

 

[Salopian]

Snipey,

 Thank you for the explanation, that is as good a way as any . But I am surprised the difference was not noticed when you had the fitting for the wedge?

Still it looks like you are now sorted.

 

[snipey]

Snipey,
 Thank you for the explanation, that is as good a way as any . But I am surprised the difference was not noticed when you had the fitting for the wedge?
Still it looks like you are now sorted.

I'm not sure, maybe because the pitch was quite obviously wrong; and that would give the symptoms I was seeing thus an easy win? The pitch alteration certainly lessened the bruising

We'll not quite sorted! I still need to decide how fix it, but I certainly feel that there isn't enough meat on my trap stock to shorten, alter pitch and now the cast!

 

[ips]

A bit of a radical idea but as you state you are less than standard on the size front what about a Jones adjuster or similar, you can get the toe in out sorted to suit without great expence or go all the way with nill griffe

 

[ips]

Here is a thought. I have had same gun, its high rib and designed to be shot with a high gun hold therefore the pitch is set for that. If you adopt a lower more standard hold point the pitch could be wrong.

Just a thought

 

[Irishgunner]

Is there much muzzle flip when you shoot compared to the sporting gun

 

[Irishgunner]

Do you shoot left handed ?

 

[Irishgunner]

Sorry I'm on my phone and the photo is very small but the trap stock looks to have a lot of cast on

 

[snipey]

A bit of a radical idea but as you state you are less than standard on the size front what about a Jones adjuster or similar, you can get the toe in out sorted to suit without great expence or go all the way with nill griffe

The only problem with that is that Dennis feels that the stock a touch too long (maybe 1/4 inch, cant remember now), so I don't think there is enough material on the stock to have it shortened AND to have enough material removed to fit a Jones adjuster!? I will raise this with Dennis today though, so good point!

Here is a thought. I have had same gun, its high rib and designed to be shot with a high gun hold therefore the pitch is set for that. If you adopt a lower more standard hold point the pitch could be wrong.

Just a thought

I basically shoot DTL with my gun held parallel to the ground i.e maybe 1/2 foot above the tank, and look through the gun to see the target with both eyes open. I don't think the pitch of 'this' gun could ever fit a normal adult male, I had a friend try it and he's a more 'normal' size shooter and he felt it was wrong for him.

Is there much muzzle flip when you shoot compared to the sporting gun

There was some before having the wedge fitted, although I think I was man handling it

Do you shoot left handed ?

Nope I'm normal!   :haha:

Sorry I'm on my phone and the photo is very small but the trap stock looks to have a lot of cast on

Yeah it does seem that way, I think its taking it too close the the edge of my pec muscle hence the bruising, the wedge I had fitted certainly lessened the bruise and muzzle flip, but it was still enough to be annoying/noticeable after a 100.

 

[ips]

I have had a DT10x and although I didn't personally like it I never had a problem with the actual fit. But of course stocks can be different even from same model and batch.

My gun mount theory is out of the window then as you are obviously shooting the high rib the way it was meant to be used, you see so many people with huge ribs but shoot them like a flat rib whats the point (sorry I digress)

Be interesting to see what Mr Stepney's conclusions are then, you see this is yet another very valid reason for not doing any exercise or lifting heavy things, it makes you a weird shape so clothes don't fit and neither do guns. Serves you ruddy well right

 

[Irishgunner]

I'd like to see a centre line in that photo cause photos can deceive but that trap stock looks like a lefty or there's a lot of cast off on your sporter and very little on the trap, I think it's a cast issue, screw your but pad on off centre adding a little more cast off see how you get on,

 

[ips]

irishgunner is correct, I was on mobile yesterday so only just seen these pics. The trap one certainly does look like a LH but that cant be right cos snipey is a right hander. No wonder your getting kicked to cack with that amount of toe in. If that pic is a true reflection you have a completely incorrect stock.

 

[Dog Tyred]

Can't see how the trap stock looks a 'leftie' ?? Surely the sporter is straight and the trap stock is cast to the right and canted toe out (assuming the top of the stock pad is to the right hand side of the image).

DT