How much do you pay for 100ESP comp?
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Lock Stock & Barrel
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Thanks Mike, you're right in the respect that [for example] Coniston still holds selection shoots, although [unless Nicky T can correct me, him being CPSA NW rep] they don't do reg comps. Does Kelbrook still do reg comps? I've not yet shot Blackpool (and by all counts, it's a real tester of a ground), so must get that on my list.
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I honestly cannot see what all the fuss is about Registered shoots.Many grounds find that registered are a nuisance to put on and often add unnecessary expense . Yes they are necessary to attain your average classification, but they certainly are not of a higher quality or a measure of ones ability. Hodnet & Cross Gun Kinver, are a prime example good courses but not registered.
Definatley agree with that comment. I the past I've been to a lot of small shoots that present better clays to shoot and the atmosphere is much better too.
Lock Stock & Barrel
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And this is part of the problem for shooters Sal - when grounds like Hodnet (arguably the best shooting ground in the country) can't be bothered putting on reg comps, it creates a hole - and again, it's a telling indictment on reg comps. I can't think of a reason why anyone might bemoan the £40 it takes to shoot Hodnet, as the birds there are a shooter's dream/nightmare (delete as appropriate).
There in lies the problem with clayshooting as we now know it.
Sporting was conceived to replicate bird shooting and no sportsman would dream of shooting a bird that presented a better shot to his neighbouring gun, but now we have grounds and people bragging about the 80 yard crossing midi.
You can shoot round Hodnet any day of the week and not require more than half choke to put in a decent score. It is only the topography and clever use of angles that makes targets good. Distance only frustrates and infuriates.
As regards referees / markers all we require is fairness, honesty, integrity and an ability to pay attention and make a decision.
Sporting was conceived to replicate bird shooting and no sportsman would dream of shooting a bird that presented a better shot to his neighbouring gun, but now we have grounds and people bragging about the 80 yard crossing midi.
You can shoot round Hodnet any day of the week and not require more than half choke to put in a decent score. It is only the topography and clever use of angles that makes targets good. Distance only frustrates and infuriates.
As regards referees / markers all we require is fairness, honesty, integrity and an ability to pay attention and make a decision.
As long as they are a proper comp with markers.... sorry I mean referees then I agree, however the only guarantee that this is going to be the case is for it to be registered or run under CPSA type registered rules. Turning up for a knock about with mates is something I will not travel distance for on a weekly basis, and shooting the same ground week in week out does not inspire me either. So I guess I am a slave to the registered circuit with the odd Hodent Challenge, World Sporting and Exssex Masters thrown in for good measure.
This week the only comps that I would even consider shooting are registered so not much choice for me.
Chard
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If it wasn't for the registered comp/classification system, I would get bored senseless by clay shooting.
If I just mooned around Worsley every Saturday blatting the same old targets with no point to it, I would lose the will to live.
It's the competitive element that keeps most clay shooters turning out. Without that, I'd have quit ages ago. <_<
Much as Coniston is a very nice ground, there is no point in me ever going there again. If they want to sulk and spit the dummy out and have nowt to do with registered shooting again, that is up to them, but I won't be going again.
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Lock Stock & Barrel
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Both Timps and Chard make key points: once a shooter has got to certain stage in their capability, they need/require to be tested amongst the generality of shooters. Hence the reg comp 'circuit'. Having met both of you (and shot with Timps), I know that you can expect (and that's a word new shooters have no sense of) to shoot your 'average' - regardless of the ground. When I hear lines like, "I only shot a 79, it wasn't my finest hour", I understand the chasm which presents itself to me and how far I have to go with my shooting.
I shoot at four different grounds within a 60 mile radius and I don't become bored, but two grounds tend not to change layouts at all, Kelbrook and Coniston have not changed a thing for months.
Blackpool changes the complete layout every three weeks on average if the fields are not waterlogged, Crabtree changes things not very often.
I don't need a carrot dangling in front of me to shoot well ie; a registered shoot.
Blackpool changes the complete layout every three weeks on average if the fields are not waterlogged, Crabtree changes things not very often.
I don't need a carrot dangling in front of me to shoot well ie; a registered shoot.
Will Hewland
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At this time of year RBSS and the EJC Challenge offer some repeat shooting. It's fun in its own way, but only interspersed with my usual very mixed bag of ESP reg shoots.
If you shoot sporting at grounds that barely change, there is nothing to say that it's not a way of enjoying yourself, but it could be a huge way of kidding yourself that you can shoot. Learning how to do three things wrongly in a way that eventually luck onto a kill, then repeating, isn't really learning the art..
If you shoot sporting at grounds that barely change, there is nothing to say that it's not a way of enjoying yourself, but it could be a huge way of kidding yourself that you can shoot. Learning how to do three things wrongly in a way that eventually luck onto a kill, then repeating, isn't really learning the art..
Will Hewland
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Re above; I'm not saying that all repeat shooters can't shoot, but it isn't the way to learn.. ESP is greatly about reading a target, not eventually finding it (which can be done even if your method is awful).
Yes but what is this all to do with how much we pay for our shooting?
Many of us would not dream of parking in a field and shooting 50 off five manual traps, and by the same token many of us could not afford to shoot at H&H , West London, E.J.Churchill & RBSS, but does it mean we enjoy our sport less? of course not it is different strokes for different folks.
Many of us would not dream of parking in a field and shooting 50 off five manual traps, and by the same token many of us could not afford to shoot at H&H , West London, E.J.Churchill & RBSS, but does it mean we enjoy our sport less? of course not it is different strokes for different folks.
Rhbjones
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could not agree more with you Salopian
Will Hewland
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Err.. Agreed nothing with what we pay. I was going with the red herring of variety, as per Mikes post.
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Moore K-80
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£45 is just crazy! Why are the shooting ground so intent on killing the sport off and in turn hanging themselves? I bet you dont go there again in a hurry so the couple of extra quid the ripped you off for wont make up for that! Southern counties are also very expensive, £32 or there abouts is plenty to be charging, can they not see they will get more entries if they are sensible with the pricing?
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