Market research question

[Karen Mason]

As men are feeling left out why not run instead of BO run 2 classes across the board cheaper rate like small prize pot full cost bigger prize fund that way everyone is on level playing field and can choose helps everyone no BO section

 

[Hamster]

It's just trying to understand the thought process that decides a male 22 (or 40 for that matter) year old is financially safe and able to contribute his way ( and damn he if he isn't ) but a 35 year old female solicitor or dentist with an equally high income partner or a young lad from a comfortable background are somehow deemed to warrant special attention.

Who drew this imaginary line ?

 

[tiptop]

The trouble is Karen if the were a two tier system those that were say middle to low class in B may take the easier win option of the lower tier.

Then believe me those that wanted the lower class option would be whinging that the B class sandbaggers are pinching our money/trophy because they still can't win anything.

Six months ago i used to post on here about what scores i was hitting thinking i was improving only to be shot down by people saying don't let your ego get carried away,your shooting easy shoots, as when you go up a class it will all end, low and behold i went up a class have picked up a few placings nowhere near to what i was in C class.

I still enter competition because one day i believe i will win B class.

If ladies want thier own class then fair play but the lesser shots should not whine when the better ladies are still beating them

Set your targets higher people not lower or you will win nothing.

 

[Will Hewland]

As men are feeling left out why not run instead of BO run 2 classes across the board cheaper rate like small prize pot full cost bigger prize fund that way everyone is on level playing field and can choose helps everyone no BO section

The impossibility of this whole topic is that there are so many specific different points of view, depending on who you are (in shooting terms). You have 'physical' categories such as Colt, Junior, Senior, Lady, Veteran. Then you have the many classed categories (C through to AAA). If that lot isn't enough to offer different viewpoints, the reality is that within EACH of the aforementioned you have 'unmentioned' sub-groups: 'Enthusiastic, optimistic improver' then 'Embittered stagnated non-improver' plus of course many 'happy mediums' and finally 'Cynical- been doing this too long talented moaner'.

You will never please everybody as their agendas and outlooks are so varied and personalised. The system we have now isn't perfect but it has likely evolved into something that causes the least offence.

 

[ips]

Have resisted temptation to get involved with this topic thus far as i have aired my views on the subject many times before and for those that don't know its pretty much the same as tiptop and i believe hammy feels similar.

Last time i took quite a bit of stick from certain lady contributors so am being cautious as i really like and admire those ladies to which i refer to.

However i say again women are capable of being as good as men even if they think not this has been proven particularly on the trap circuit. Without wishing to sound to harsh maybe some women feel they need there own class because they cannot win against men but maybe that is because like many of us they are not good enough not because they are female. On that basis many of us should demand a duffers class so that we can feel good about the odd win against other duffers and quite as miffed about never being high gun against those that are better than us ?

Hang on a minute just realised we have such a thing its called C and D class (no offence intended to those in that class as i am one in certain disciplines) so as the cut off point is the same for all genders and age group why oh why do we need sub classes ?

I have an even simpler idea do away with classes altogether incl age and gender related sub classes and pay further down the leaders board. Good shooters win, average shooters win sometimes poor shooters never win but try hard, such is life.

 

[Hamster]

The impossibility of this whole topic is that there are so many specific different points of view, depending on who you are (in shooting terms). You have 'physical' categories such as Colt, Junior, Senior, Lady, Veteran. Then you have the many classed categories (C through to AAA). If that lot isn't enough to offer different viewpoints, the reality is that within EACH of the aforementioned you have 'unmentioned' sub-groups: 'Enthusiastic, optimistic improver' then 'Embittered stagnated non-improver' plus of course many 'happy mediums' and finally 'Cynical- been doing this too long talented moaner'.

You will never please everybody as their agendas and outlooks are so varied and personalised. The system we have now isn't perfect but it has likely evolved into something that causes the least offence.

You forgot Enthusiastic penniless student who used to get lifts and sat there scoring for the love of it cos he hadn't enough to shoot class.

 

[Will Hewland]

You forgot Enthusiastic penniless student who used to get lifts and sat there scoring for the love of it cos he hadn't enough to shoot class.

Please do not ruin my prejudiced and narrow minded metaphors by introducing the facts

 

[tiptop]

As far as registered shoots are concerned i think the class structure is fine,it gives people targets and aim with a little incentive of some cash back,and unless you are a top shot you probably will never win H/G. I don't think it is viable to run all these sub divisions on registered shoots purely from the numbers that will be entered,or it will meaningless as you have just beat one other person.

As for national and international shoots that may be different because you will have the numbers entered to quantify it.

When i first started shooting i was not really interseted in competition shooting,just used to go to straw balers and pop up to 4C's for there 50 sporting as it is very local to me.

Now when i used to go to 4C's there used to be a little girl about 10 years old that would show the men a thing or two about shooting.

Then i thought i'm going to have a go at this competion shooting and after shooting a few registered duly entered the English open at Southeren counties in 2011,who do you think was there yes this young girl,she had progressed so much she finished third in C CLASS not ladies/juniors/colts but C CLASS beating all ages and genders of that class.

Now this young girl is turning into a young lady and her shooting is now in the record books at senior events worldwide.

So come on ladies stop all this whining about we want our own class, it is possible to win anything if you really so desire.

 

[Will Hewland]

As far as registered shoots are concerned i think the class structure is fine,it gives people targets and aim with a little incentive of some cash back,and unless you are a top shot you probably will never win H/G. I don't think it is viable to run all these sub divisions on registered shoots purely from the numbers that will be entered,or it will meaningless as you have just beat one other person.

As for national and international shoots that may be different because you will have the numbers entered to quantify it.

When i first started shooting i was not really interseted in competition shooting,just used to go to straw balers and pop up to 4C's for there 50 sporting as it is very local to me.

Now when i used to go to 4C's there used to be a little girl about 10 years old that would show the men a thing or two about shooting.

Then i thought i'm going to have a go at this competion shooting and after shooting a few registered duly entered the English open at Southeren counties in 2011,who do you think was there yes this young girl,she had progressed so much she finished third in C CLASS not ladies/juniors/colts but C CLASS beating all ages and genders of that class.

Now this young girl is turning into a young lady and her shooting is now in the record books at senior events worldwide.

So come on ladies stop all this whining about we want our own class, it is possible to win anything if you really so desire.

Rubbish Martin. Just look how that Cheryl Hall struggles.

 

[Sian]

Whose whining?

 

[tiptop]

Rubbish Martin. Just look how that Cheryl Hall struggles.

Not sure what you mean there Will.

Struggles in nationals, internationals or what,

If you mean the class she is in, and they ran ladies in registered as they do in the majors then the shoots that the likes of Cheryl and Becky and a handful of others were entered in the rest would stand no chance.How many times has a B,C Class lady won the English or British open. 

OR

Do you mean that Amber was not shooting C class two years (2011) ago and is now winning competions round the world. I admit it may be in different discipljnes.

 

[ips]

Tiptop

me thinks Mr clever was being sarcastic. Note the smiley.

 

[tiptop]

Anyway Ladies buck your ideas up and you might win something tomorrow :money:   :biggrin:  . I'm off racing.

 

[ips]

Yes and that goes for us men duffers also. Shoot well and you win shoot cack and you don't win, regardless of gender. You ladies do not have the monopoly on being cack some of us can be equally cack even though we are men and should be much better than mere women who have the audacity to enter our male dominated sport and occasionally win us. Its just not bally well on you know

 

[ips]

Ps

just for clarification that also was what is refered to as sarcasm.

Just jolly well saying.

 

[teepee1234]

I started typing something then changed my mind!  I've had a crap day at work, so it probably wouldn't have been constructive! 

All I want to say is this;  Minorities - be they male or female, old, young or in between - should be encouraged to take up this great game.  I'm not clever enough to work out how, because I don't have enough facts!  (a few others on here might take note...)

I personally couldn't care less about the money, or how it's divied up.  I always shoot comp, because one day, it'll come right and I'll win a few quid.  BUT...that's not the reason I go shooting, cuz let's face it, no-one's getting rich by winning a Sunday Reg!  I want to go up through the ranks and compete against better shooters - and if they happen to be female, or young whippersnappers, or one-armed Chinese dwarves... who gives a sh*t??

Stop bloody bitching at each other, and go shooting!!

 

[RobertBeard]

It's just trying to understand the thought process that decides a male 22 (or 40 for that matter) year old is financially safe and able to contribute his way ( and damn he if he isn't ) but a 35 year old female solicitor or dentist with an equally high income partner or a young lad from a comfortable background are somehow deemed to warrant special attention.

Who drew this imaginary line ?

Juniors only get support in target shooting.  There is nothing for the ladies as they are adults and either work or can afford not to work!  I was surprised to see such support for them in clay shooting.

 

[ips]

Whatever the cpsa care to label us with regards to class the reality is we all get classed every Sunday. You either win and get classed as good or you nearly win and get classed as what a shame maybe next week or your at the bottom and get classed as must do something to improve for next week.

Classes who cares, gender who cares age who cares. Everyone should try and shoot the best they can and preferably win the young upstart to your left and or the woman on your right

 

[** Pending Removal **]

Women don't whine.....just saying ..!!

Cheryl can hold her own against the men....true story..!

 

[Macc Ladd]

Women don't whine.....just saying ..!!

Cheryl can hold her own against the men....true story..!

no you just wine, and more wine!!