Shooting car
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The person who buys such a vehicle will probably be using the new Fiocchi gold cartridges.... the shot is actually 24ct gold coated the brass is not brass but real gold.... the cases are returned for reloading!
Think I will stick with me Scouse VW................the TOERAG !
Bryn12
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New one I think, edging towards the ELX4. Had a Rexton years ago and it was great until I destroyed the clutch repeatedly reversing full loads of cattle round steep uphill bends in the Galloway hills to their summer grazing :resent: was later told it really wasn't designed for that kind of abuse but I could still take that vehicle places that were off limits to Defenders :angel: would have kept it too if they hadn't gone into administration and taken forever to get the parts.
HDAV
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My uncle has an X reg Musso (daewoo) has needed far less in terms of work and parts than his defender 110 and was half the price of the equivalent disco at the time. The original musso and korando are liked for their ability to run on veg oil (5cyl merc engine)
RobertBeard
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I certainly did when I bought my Volvo estate - nothing worse than a Gunguard rifle case not fitting sensibly in the boot. I asked and forewarned them and they were fine about it. It only needed to be the case with no gun in it!
Fortis Mark
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I have an Audi A6 Avant, lovely car but being quite low It doesn't do farm tracks very well.
For that reason I have recently bought a Berlingo van for my shooting. Better ground clearance, and I can drive it like I stole it - even down farm tracks... oh, and plenty of space for the gun and gear. Winner, winner chicken dinner...
For that reason I have recently bought a Berlingo van for my shooting. Better ground clearance, and I can drive it like I stole it - even down farm tracks... oh, and plenty of space for the gun and gear. Winner, winner chicken dinner...
If you have a tidy 4x4 such as a Disco , Rangey , Kia etc. As a loader or Gun you will be politely asked if you have room for a passenger? If the answer is yes the next question will be " Two?" Upon confirmation that is okay upon boarding the next question will be " Alright if we bring our spaniels , they are no bother?".
A Fiat 600 4x4 is an ideal shoot vehicle or an old Ford Fiesta van or Ka.
A Fiat 600 4x4 is an ideal shoot vehicle or an old Ford Fiesta van or Ka.
RobertBeard
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You're not becoming a loner are you Peter?
chippy
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Here's my korando what a beauty. and your right they run on anything that burns.my new mixture is 75% veg oil 25% mis-fuel.
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Shaun Hopkins
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When you took your gun into the dealership did you by any chance wear the face veil as per avatar pic and notice the salesmen running out the back door a bit sharpish!! :spiteful:
chippy
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Nimbusgb
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Some thread drift!!!!
The overall 'payback' period for 'eco' stop/start engines is about 20 seconds if you factor in additional systems like electric oil pumps on automagics, possible additional maintenance required on starter motor ( unlikely as they are engineered to compensate for the additional duty cycle ) and battery ( also unlikely given the small power draw off the battery )
In terms of 'benefits' the real benefits are made in overall emissions, a car engine at idle puts out gobs of CO2 and other muck that do nothing for the environment, pointless if you are not actually going anywhere!
When the first tests on stop/starts were made in the 70's in downtown Tokyo they returned a 10% fuel consumption improvement. Even with improvements in overall efficiency most manufacturers lay claim to around 10% economy improvement in heavy traffic. Economy returns on rural driving reduce to very little for obvious reasons.
It's doing no harm, overall delivers environmental benefits, why try to circumvent something that cost extra to have on the vehicle in the first place!
( Yes I've done a bit of research on eco mode! )
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At least one manufacturer ( Mazda ) doesn't use the electric starter motor to restart the car. They detect which piston is on the expansion downstroke from TDC, inject a squirt into that cylinder and fire the plug. If needs be they do it with a couple more cylinders before resorting to the electrickery! Of course that only works on petrol engines.( and raises the question of whether a modern petrol engine even needs a starter motor! they weigh at least 10 kg! )
Damn clever these Japanese you know!
Like a variation on the cartridge starters of old! ( also known as shotgun starters!!! )
http://books.bingle.co.uk/books?id=rNoDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA339&dq=Popular+Science+1935+plane+%22Popular+Mechanics%22&hl=en&ei=r81ETsS3KI3isQLY3dX5BQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=true
The break even point in terms of energy payback ie. how much petrol it takes to make up the energy expended by using the car battery to restart the car, is about 10 seconds in a petrol car and 13 seconds in a diesel. So if you are going to be stopped for 10 seconds or more it's worth having the engine cut off. The 200 Amps or so required by the starter motor are only delivered for about 1 second, resulting in an energy useage of about 0.6 Whr ( 0.5 Ahr ) . Most eco cars run batteries of 85Ahr or more meaning you can get a good 40 cranks before you are reaching the voltage drop off point. Boiling a kettle takes about 100 Whr. In eco cars the engine is set for the optimal starting by the ecu, Over advanced timing, cylinder selection depending on crank position
The overall 'payback' period for 'eco' stop/start engines is about 20 seconds if you factor in additional systems like electric oil pumps on automagics, possible additional maintenance required on starter motor ( unlikely as they are engineered to compensate for the additional duty cycle ) and battery ( also unlikely given the small power draw off the battery )
In terms of 'benefits' the real benefits are made in overall emissions, a car engine at idle puts out gobs of CO2 and other muck that do nothing for the environment, pointless if you are not actually going anywhere!
When the first tests on stop/starts were made in the 70's in downtown Tokyo they returned a 10% fuel consumption improvement. Even with improvements in overall efficiency most manufacturers lay claim to around 10% economy improvement in heavy traffic. Economy returns on rural driving reduce to very little for obvious reasons.
It's doing no harm, overall delivers environmental benefits, why try to circumvent something that cost extra to have on the vehicle in the first place!
( Yes I've done a bit of research on eco mode!
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At least one manufacturer ( Mazda ) doesn't use the electric starter motor to restart the car. They detect which piston is on the expansion downstroke from TDC, inject a squirt into that cylinder and fire the plug. If needs be they do it with a couple more cylinders before resorting to the electrickery! Of course that only works on petrol engines.( and raises the question of whether a modern petrol engine even needs a starter motor! they weigh at least 10 kg! )
Damn clever these Japanese you know!
Like a variation on the cartridge starters of old! ( also known as shotgun starters!!! )
http://books.bingle.co.uk/books?id=rNoDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA339&dq=Popular+Science+1935+plane+%22Popular+Mechanics%22&hl=en&ei=r81ETsS3KI3isQLY3dX5BQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=true
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Bryn12
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That is really interesting but does it take into account the CD, Satnav, aircon/heater, DLRs all going with the car occupied with the engine off, not forgetting the kids' DVD players...........
Nimbusgb
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All of that lot together doesn't come close to the current of the starter and if it runs for only a minute or so you are still in the black!
Bryn12
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OK living in the sticks sitting in traffic is rare, currently getting averaging just over 62mpg from my mazda2 but did my IAMs stuff then SAFED as part of my DCPC (comes under 'pet hate' for a lot of lorry drivers)
HDAV
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Bryn12
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Safe And Fuel Efficient Driving (useful)
Drivers Certificate of Professional Competence (EU imposed bullox)
Drivers Certificate of Professional Competence (EU imposed bullox)
HDAV
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Ah ok CPC 35 hours of training etc....
SAFED Sounds interesting. I'd never manage it mind...
SAFED Sounds interesting. I'd never manage it mind...
Finners
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I had a lovely little Mitsubishi Shogun Pinin as my knockabout car until recently. Sold that a few weeks ago and I now have a spangly new Fiat Panda as the "runabout"
Not an ideal shooting car, as the guns need to be broken down to fit in the boot. But it does 50mpg and will go everywhere I need it too.
Truth is, the deal was simply too cheap not to buy at least one of them. I did think about buying two.................... one for each foot :biggrin:
Not an ideal shooting car, as the guns need to be broken down to fit in the boot. But it does 50mpg and will go everywhere I need it too.
Truth is, the deal was simply too cheap not to buy at least one of them. I did think about buying two.................... one for each foot :biggrin:
