What will you do ?

[Jan Powell]

People are proving nationwide what ******* they are by not following the rules are making it twice as hard to deal with,i live on an estate and people are coming out that haven't seen the light of day in years simply because they have been told not to.

Seen groups with hundreds of posts railing against Police heavy handedness because they were asked politely to go home,to many people are still not taking this seriously!

The Dumb f*** i will do what i want brigade are causing mayhem for the sensible among us and laughing at social distancing,the amoebae will be the cause of many unnecessary people getting sick.

#Staythef***at home!

Not really sure what your comments have to do with my post but yes, perhaps you’re right.

Oddly, my local rifle club sent me an email on Monday saying they intend to open their indoor range as soon as next week and the outdoor range as soon as the government lifts the 2 person rule. Not sure how they’re going to manage that.

 

[Joe Nash]

Be sensible then. I make no apologies for my tone. You want to swap jobs with me for the next 6 months? It is time to listen to the advice\guidance of the government and experts!

I agree with you Nick,  and he is a MODERATOR on the forum. I think he needs his clever **** badge taken away. ffs. Perhaps he don't know what,    STAY IN DOORS MEANS

 

[Nick Selby]

I agree with you Nick,  and he is a MODERATOR on the forum. I think he needs his clever **** badge taken away. ffs. Perhaps he don't know what,    STAY IN DOORS MEANS

And one of the reasons why I stopped visiting this forum many months ago...... Thank you for the vote of confidence though, Joe.

 

[ColinD]

I really do not share your optimism this virus is going to be around for at least two years. Presently in France I cannot leave an area of  a 1 km radius around my house other than to get food. This present emergency has only just started and has a long way to run and I really do not think governments are going to see their good work and huge economic input undone by people wanting to partake in a pastime.

As France is a good indicator of what may happen here, how are appliance that break down, cookers, refridgeration, washing machines being repaired.Are engineers being allowed to come out and repair them.

I'm enquiring as being in that business our company are still going, but they seem to not have a limit on how far they can send you, which seems to make a mockery of only essential travel.

Seems it's more about maximising how many calls you can do. If you only have two calls on in your area, they send you to another town/city 40 miles away to fill you up

 

[Jan Powell]

As France is a good indicator of what may happen here, how are appliance that break down, cookers, refridgeration, washing machines being repaired.Are engineers being allowed to come out and repair them.

I'm enquiring as being in that business our company are still going, but they seem to not have a limit on how far they can send you, which seems to make a mockery of only essential travel.

Seems it's more about maximising how many calls you can do. If you only have two calls on in your area, they send you to another town/city 40 miles away to fill you up

Whilst it’s probably not right it’s perhaps understandable given the impact the virus is having upon companies large and small. I too am travelling to work every day and have noticed an increase in pedestrian and vehicular traffic this week compared to last. I’ve no doubt this will continue as frustration grows although it’s probably not helped by the government having given some mixed messages, particularly with regard to travel for exercise.

PS. For all those that gave my colleagues and I applause this evening, thank you. Although we’re just doing our jobs it is appreciated.

 

[Paul120]

PL football.. Morally taking the P!$$ again.

What a bunch of ********* 

I hope they lose or get greatly reduced rates on the TV rights. 

 

[jwpzx9r]

PL football.. Morally taking the P!$$ again.

What a bunch of ********* 

I hope they lose or get greatly reduced rates on the TV rights. 

I have said this on a football forum . I really hope that televised football collapses and they are left with nothing at all but what they get coming in through the gates , these players will see their contact money evaporate. I don't think it will happen but I live in hope .

 

[Jan Powell]

For those living in the North Yorkshire area, some clarification from the police in relation to pest control. They state if shooting is part of your work, in line with government guildelines, it may continue without restriction. Although their guidance is specific to this area I would imagine other police forces will adopt a similar approach.

This will obviously be a relief for the many farmers and landowners trying to control pests, particularly as we're now well into lambing season.

 

[El Spavo]

I have said this on a football forum . I really hope that televised football collapses and they are left with nothing at all but what they get coming in through the gates , these players will see their contact money evaporate. I don't think it will happen but I live in hope .

I can take or leave footy, but if that happened, and it won't, ever, a LOT of clubs outside of the premiership would likely fold as they need the odd tv appearance to help them along. So that's a nice dream you've got of smashing the enjoyment of a lot of ordinary people simply cos you don't like it and I presume from your umbrella comment quite possibly know very little about how football financing works. Bravo.

 

[jwpzx9r]

I can take or leave footy, but if that happened, and it won't, ever, a LOT of clubs outside of the premiership would likely fold as they need the odd tv appearance to help them along. So that's a nice dream you've got of smashing the enjoyment of a lot of ordinary people simply cos you don't like it and I presume from your umbrella comment quite possibly know very little about how football financing works. Bravo.

No not at all. What is wrong with football currently is that BECAUSE OF TV MONEY the wages of payers has gotten completely out of control. To the extent that noname teams in the English divisions are willing to put themselves anything up to £150 million in debt, and some more, to get into the EPL where the TV money is £50 million per team before a ball is kicked. If the TV money was removed teams would quite naturally have to pay less and then we maybe would get back to what football players used to earn, and they were paid largely by what came through the turnstiles. If you knew anything at all about football you would know that what is happening in the English game is unsustainable in the long term players earning money that cannot be got through the gates . This present hiatus is going to be a tester for some and by the way you clearly have no idea how football money works . If any team in the lower divisions of the English football leagues goes under it will be their own fault for paying their players more than the club earns... have you had a look at the outstanding debts of even teams in the EPL ? Sorry for spoiling your night YFA.

 

[Paul120]

I can take or leave footy, but if that happened, and it won't, ever, a LOT of clubs outside of the premiership would likely fold as they need the odd tv appearance to help them along. So that's a nice dream you've got of smashing the enjoyment of a lot of ordinary people simply cos you don't like it and I presume from your umbrella comment quite possibly know very little about how football financing works. Bravo.

Would they really fold though?

Football existed quite happily and was probably in a healthier state  before PPV TV . 

The players would still turn up.as they have always done. 

 

[El Spavo]

No not at all. What is wrong with football currently is that BECAUSE OF TV MONEY the wages of payers has gotten completely out of control. To the extent that noname teams in the English divisions are willing to put themselves anything up to £150 million in debt, and some more, to get into the EPL where the TV money is £50 million per team before a ball is kicked. If the TV money was removed teams would quite naturally have to pay less and then we maybe would get back to what football players used to earn, and they were paid largely by what came through the turnstiles. If you knew anything at all about football you would know that what is happening in the English game is unsustainable in the long term players earning money that cannot be got through the gates . This present hiatus is going to be a tester for some and by the way you clearly have no idea how football money works . If any team in the lower divisions of the English football leagues goes under it will be their own fault for paying their players more than the club earns... have you had a look at the outstanding debts of even teams in the EPL ? Sorry for spoiling your night YFA.

Look, everyone on here knows you get reeeeal defensive if anyone questions what you say then throw your toys out the pram until you get your own way, but If you knew anything about football you'd know that no team can go 150m in debt due to financial fair play rules. Wolves had the highest pre tax loss last year of about 60m, miles away from your guessed figure. All teams have their books on public record for everyone to see, there's no secrets anymore. 

Also, rules dictate TV rights are distributed fairly evenly across all teams and even with basic facility fees from say only 10 games shown, the lowest paid team get at least circa 90m odd, so like your other figure, your 50m... Talking out your arristotle!  Even if clubs are nowhere near a place in Europe, they ALL get the thick end of about 45m international TV rights just for being in the prem, domestic TV rights are ON TOP of that!

Having family members who have been directors of full time professional football clubs, I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about having seen things from the other side of the mirror, thanks. Think you're better off sticking to talking about guns and shooting as you're out of your depth on this one. French football is in a dogsh*t state though, thanks to the heavy taxes imposed on players, so not surprised you're a bit detracted from facts on this topic.

Sit back down flower. 

 

[El Spavo]

Would they really fold though?

Football existed quite happily and was probably in a healthier state  before PPV TV . 

The players would still turn up.as they have always done. 

Unfortunately, yes. The whelans sold Wigan to a far east consortium cos they were seeing it only going one way and were chucking in 1m a MONTH just to keep it going despite it having quite a low wage bill. Bury went the other month, and there's plenty others that are in trouble cos they might not play those last 9 games this season and are relying on gates cos they didn't get their fa Cup dream TV draw. And that's only from the 3rd tier down... We could well see e en championship clubs drop out the league in the near future.

I'll concede and agree that TV rights have upped wages too much and that has trickled down making homegrown talent too expensive above a certain level, but it's always been about money... Nobody buys a club to make a profit, and that's been the same since the Busby babes. The alternative is not paying, not getting the players, dropping down the leagues, and having to buy worse players and accept worse gates and even less chance of the golden chalice of sky and bt sport. 

Trust me, I know second hand that clubs don't run cheap, even the lower rung, isthmian league type affairs, but you're right that the love of the game keeps them running... To a point, and then the ground and all the assets gets sold to either someone with another wallet or developers to build flats. Brutal but true, and it's the fans and staff who generally lose: I remember my father running around trying to sort things out for the next day, week, month for the club knowing it was a one way ticket. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if players will still turn up for free if others are paying even a little. I quit playing last season and I've noticed a huge change in attitudes come through in 20 years, sadly.

Never said it was great or even fair, but its the same in any walk of life: Eton pays for the best teachers, and Pininfarina & Giugiaro don't work for peanuts either.

Anyway... Back to shooting.

(YFA... Hmmm) 

 

[jwpzx9r]

Look, everyone on here knows you get reeeeal defensive if anyone questions what you say then throw your toys out the pram until you get your own way, but If you knew anything about football you'd know that no team can go 150m in debt due to financial fair play rules. Wolves had the highest pre tax loss last year of about 60m, miles away from your guessed figure. All teams have their books on public record for everyone to see, there's no secrets anymore. 

Also, rules dictate TV rights are distributed fairly evenly across all teams and even with basic facility fees from say only 10 games shown, the lowest paid team get at least circa 90m odd, so like your other figure, your 50m... Talking out your arristotle!  Even if clubs are nowhere near a place in Europe, they ALL get the thick end of about 45m international TV rights just for being in the prem, domestic TV rights are ON TOP of that!

Having family members who have been directors of full time professional football clubs, I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about having seen things from the other side of the mirror, thanks. Think you're better off sticking to talking about guns and shooting as you're out of your depth on this one. French football is in a dogsh*t state though, thanks to the heavy taxes imposed on players, so not surprised you're a bit detracted from facts on this topic.

Sit back down flower. 

 

[El Spavo]

That's not sole debt, that's borrowings without the offset against profit which not what you said. If you only show one half of the coin every club would be insolvent as it would look like nobody takes any income. Anyway, that figure was accrued WHILST in the premiership, NOT trying to get There, which I believe was your point? They effectively did the same as Leeds in 2003/4 but on a grander scale. That goes for most of the other teams in that list who have dropped out the division... That's the gamble of playing with the big boys. 

And how old is that chart?! Sunderland had stated that figure in 2016 so that has changed in the subsequent 4 years! The same goes for man u who they were also compared to by example at 495m. Think that's a cherry pick a bit out of date fella. Sunderland are league one... If that was correct now you still think they'd be playing?!  Qpr tried the same but got caught. Thankfully, theirs and others fines go to charity so every cloud and all that.  All the figures I've stated are from last season... Go back far enough and all sorts of nonsense went on, hence the necessary rule changes. It makes the leagues much more even (parachute payments notwithstanding). 

As I said, ffp rules prevent clubs from buying their way into the top league. 

2/10, must try harder.

Look, I don't approve of people wishing the worst on people and bringing others down instead of trying to raise standards for all, which is seemingly what you're doing with football clubs as a whole even though they have massively and disproportionately overspent and probably tarnished the core of the game, but I don't want them to fail just cos one doesn't like it. You can't change anything about it so I suggest you get over it and just get back to shooting and stop talking about hoping x & y fails just cos you don't like it, just makes you sound like a miserable, twisted old fruit. Life's too short to worry about what you have no change over.

Also this is boring as arseholes for most on here I'd imagine!

(for those concerned with poor old Sunderland, they currently have league one's highest wage bill but are pretty much debt free and running okay so all good at the new roker Park ) 

 

[Charliedog]

That's not sole debt, that's borrowings without the offset against profit which not what you said. If you only show one half of the coin every club would be insolvent as it would look like nobody takes any income. Anyway, that figure was accrued WHILST in the premiership, NOT trying to get There, which I believe was your point? They effectively did the same as Leeds in 2003/4 but on a grander scale. That goes for most of the other teams in that list who have dropped out the division... That's the gamble of playing with the big boys. 

And how old is that chart?! Sunderland had stated that figure in 2016 so that has changed in the subsequent 4 years! The same goes for man u who they were also compared to by example at 495m. Think that's a cherry pick a bit out of date fella. Sunderland are league one... If that was correct now you still think they'd be playing?!  Qpr tried the same but got caught. Thankfully, theirs and others fines go to charity so every cloud and all that.  All the figures I've stated are from last season... Go back far enough and all sorts of nonsense went on, hence the necessary rule changes. It makes the leagues much more even (parachute payments notwithstanding). 

As I said, ffp rules prevent clubs from buying their way into the top league. 

2/10, must try harder.

Look, I don't approve of people wishing the worst on people and bringing others down instead of trying to raise standards for all, which is seemingly what you're doing with football clubs as a whole even though they have massively and disproportionately overspent and probably tarnished the core of the game, but I don't want them to fail just cos one doesn't like it. You can't change anything about it so I suggest you get over it and just get back to shooting and stop talking about hoping x & y fails just cos you don't like it, just makes you sound like a miserable, twisted old fruit. Life's too short to worry about what you have no change over.

Also this is boring as arseholes for most on here I'd imagine!

(for those concerned with poor old Sunderland, they currently have league one's highest wage bill but are pretty much debt free and running okay so all good at the new roker Park ) 

Ipswich are league 1, that figure is pretty much correct and they dont even own the ground, lots of fiddles in football i think

 

[jwpzx9r]

That's not sole debt, that's borrowings without the offset against profit which not what you said. If you only show one half of the coin every club would be insolvent as it would look like nobody takes any income. Anyway, that figure was accrued WHILST in the premiership, NOT trying to get There, which I believe was your point? They effectively did the same as Leeds in 2003/4 but on a grander scale. That goes for most of the other teams in that list who have dropped out the division... That's the gamble of playing with the big boys. 

And how old is that chart?! Sunderland had stated that figure in 2016 so that has changed in the subsequent 4 years! The same goes for man u who they were also compared to by example at 495m. Think that's a cherry pick a bit out of date fella. Sunderland are league one... If that was correct now you still think they'd be playing?!  Qpr tried the same but got caught. Thankfully, theirs and others fines go to charity so every cloud and all that.  All the figures I've stated are from last season... Go back far enough and all sorts of nonsense went on, hence the necessary rule changes. It makes the leagues much more even (parachute payments notwithstanding). 

As I said, ffp rules prevent clubs from buying their way into the top league. 

2/10, must try harder.

Look, I don't approve of people wishing the worst on people and bringing others down instead of trying to raise standards for all, which is seemingly what you're doing with football clubs as a whole even though they have massively and disproportionately overspent and probably tarnished the core of the game, but I don't want them to fail just cos one doesn't like it. You can't change anything about it so I suggest you get over it and just get back to shooting and stop talking about hoping x & y fails just cos you don't like it, just makes you sound like a miserable, twisted old fruit. Life's too short to worry about what you have no change over.

Also this is boring as arseholes for most on here I'd imagine!

(for those concerned with poor old Sunderland, they currently have league one's highest wage bill but are pretty much debt free and running okay so all good at the new roker Park ) 

WAFS ffp don't make me laugh that will be the same rules that saw a club owner buy the club stadium to clear their 200 million overspend and still leave them with a £38 million debt now SYFGYW

 

[El Spavo]

Again, nobody has anywhere near your quoted amount trying to Get to the prem, its all been accrued whilst there. Still nice to see you're ignoring that cos it conflicts with your original point. And sorry, I'm not a teenager so no idea what all your abbreviations mean, but glad to see you're not angry and bitter about all this.

Pipe down, love.

 

[Jan Powell]

This is a website to discuss shooting interests. If you wish to talk about football I’m sure there’s plenty of online opportunities elsewhere.

Perhaps we can please keep our conversations focused on shooting, it is what the website was created for after all.

Oh, and keep the discussion pleasant. There’s too many snide comments being made. Remember, this is a public forum and you represent the shooting community.

 

[El Spavo]

Ipswich are league 1, that figure is pretty much correct and they dont even own the ground, lots of fiddles in football i think

Yup, probably, just look at the bonuses players are paid which are hidden from Joe public. Lots of clubs don't own grounds, even man City! The tractor boys are probably the one anomaly as they haven't been in the prem to gamble it all to start with but Marcus Evans does like chucking his money in... He must really love Ipswich!

This is a website to discuss shooting interests. If you wish to talk about football I’m sure there’s plenty of online opportunities elsewhere.

Perhaps we can please keep our conversations focused on shooting, it is what the website was created for after all.

Yeah, did say the same thing twice but kept getting it dragged back to footy even though its bloody boring!

... I'm pretty up on the subject in hand but even I find it dull as f*ck!

So is anywhere in the UK still open for playing with bang bang sticks then??