Budget Cartridges

[Shaun Hopkins]

Can't speak for Mark either but guess he did the maths rather well that day 25 being the magic number! And Nick  nothing wrong with super fast  i just prefer Fblacks but its what you get used to.

 

[EdSolomons]

He sure did, and the way he was going could have done it with a handful of gravel.

Superb shooting

 

[Salopian]

Paralysis by Analysis.

 

[jwpzx9r]

Just out of interest what is the price range for a budget cartridge? The cheapest I can buy here is £118/thou for Rio target load. I use Mirage T2 for practice and comps come in at £148 48 hr delivered, I don't class them as budget but some of the guys are using mirage T4rvs at £216... outrageous cost in my opinion but they are better shooters and breaking a target or two more than me, or are they buying those targets? Then there is the other end of the scale where a guy who shoots regular 25's and wins many comps using Mary Arm Cyrano at £127 and swears they are every bit as good as Fiocchi golden trap at £70 more per thou!

 

[ips]

The cutoff I would say is about £180 per K but there are imo cartridges over 200 per K that I do not like.

The funny thing is there has always been talk that top shooters can shoot good scores with any old shrapnel BUT you rarely if ever see them shoot anything but what we would consider a "quality" cartridge in competition (I am not talking sponsored here but folk who buy there own) I wonder why that is ?

I for one like every and any advantage I can get, and would not risk shooting "cheap" stuff in comp.

 

[Will Hewland]

It's all WAY dearer here. Rio retail at £163 ish. I get them wholesale but it ain't much less than that.

 

[Will Hewland]

I use what patterns well, has sensible recoil, is clean in the barrels and always go bang. The Rios don't know that they are sold cheaply, they only know they are a good solid product. So, the term budget cartridge is a grey area as it doesn't always mean low performance.

 

[ips]

. So, the term budget cartridge is a grey area as it doesn't always mean low performance.

This I agree with. Point of fact being fiocchi top one an excellent cartridge BUT at £150 ish per K they cannot possibly be good enough for comp... can they ???

 

[Will Hewland]

Trouble is, we all want to cover off the possibility of disadvantage. So, if in doubt, we may well use the more expensive, better looking, better advertised product. (Cartridges, glasses, chokes..) That way we can put the doubt out of our mind and get on with actual shooting. But have we actually found a material advantage? Probably not.

When shooting a new cartridge, I do like to get a good few good kills with them before I would take them to a reg shoot, just to ease my mind, but I feel I am on top of what is hype and what is actually good.

 

[ips]

Trouble is, we all want to cover off possibility of disadvantage. So, if in doubt, we may well use the more expensive, better looking, better advertised product. (Cartridges, glasses, chokes..) That way we can put the doubt out of our mind and get on with actual shooting. But have we actually found a material advantage? Probably not.

Fully agree with that Will.

 

[Nimbusgb]

Just out of interest what is the price range for a budget cartridge? The cheapest I can buy here is £118/thou for Rio target load. I use Mirage T2 for practice and comps come in at £148 48 hr delivered, I don't class them as budget but some of the guys are using mirage T4rvs at £216... outrageous cost in my opinion but they are better shooters and breaking a target or two more than me, or are they buying those targets? Then there is the other end of the scale where a guy who shoots regular 25's and wins many comps using Mary Arm Cyrano at £127 and swears they are every bit as good as Fiocchi golden trap at £70 more per thou!

£150 is about the bottom for 28g 7.5's, Lots at £165 to £185 then the premium stuff goes up to £250 or more. 

Wander round a site like justcartridges.com for some indicative prices.

Sounds like a weekend trip to France to do some shooting is a good idea!

 

[Nick Selby]

Hull Superfast £160-170 per 1000 (plas wad)

 

[Doctor Lecter]

imagine if we all got together  off here  and clubbed together £   to buy bulk   , wonder what price  they would be  , and would we all  agree on one shell  if the price was right .?    would be interesting .

 

[jwpzx9r]

Well your pound is buying more at the moment so fill yer boots if you lived in Calais my supplier would deliver 10 thousand to you 48hr del free

Ian the guy who shoots the Mary Arm's uses them in completions too! I was talking to him at a big local FU trap competition and he had some Fiocchi golden trap. I asked where he got them because I would like to Fiocchi cartridges he laughed and said he had won them in a comp and he did not know where you could get them anywhere nearby. He then went on to say " I would not buy these cartridges anyway, they are good but definitely no better than these"... and pulled out a Mary Arm Cyrano, cost€ 172/thou , and then restated his claim that "anybody spends money on these, Fiocchi, is wasting their money they are no better than these MA ! He scored 98ex100 25,23,24 and 25 for second place that day. Now he is French of course and the are a partisan lot but I find it difficult to argue with someone who shoots as well as he does and gives honest advice, nobody gives him free carts he has to buy his. One could say though that if MD said Clever T4 RVS were worth it, I could not argue with him either but I suspect he does not have to shell out for his.

I think the take home message is that some shooters may need the comfort blanket of a really top cartridge while others shrug and get on with what they have proved empirically. I don't think there is a right and a wrong to be honest just a what suits the individual.

 

[jwpzx9r]

imagine if we all got together  off here  and clubbed together £   to buy bulk   , wonder what price  they would be  , and would we all  agree on one shell  if the price was right .?    would be interesting .

http://www.meyson.fr/cartouches-de-tir-grosse-quantite,fr,3,218.cfm

unfortunately they don't do a great number of different brands but if Clever floats your boat you are fine... don't deliver to the UK either but if you have an address in the north of France...

 

[Deershooter]

The average person shoots two rigestered shoots per month that's 26 shoots per month

2600 cartridges

2600 @ £168 = £436.80. Cost using budget shells

2600 @ £216 = £561.60 cost using priemium shells

Difference £124.80 divided by 26 = £4.80 per comp

Will the cost of 1/2 a pack of **** / 3/4 gallon of fuel or 1.3 pints of beer change your life because this is the difference

In my view £124.80 is good value for money to remove that thought is this cartridge good enough for this bird .yes it might be all in the mind ! but it's worth piece of mind

Deershooter

 

[schmokinn]

The average person shoots two rigestered shoots per month that's 26 shoots per month 

guess you mean year...not quite sure where thay have 13 months though? :crazy:  

 

[jwpzx9r]

The average person shoots two rigestered shoots per month that's 26 shoots per month

2600 cartridges

2600 @ £168 = £436.80. Cost using budget shells

2600 @ £216 = £561.60 cost using priemium shells

Difference £124.80 divided by 26 = £4.80 per comp

Will the cost of 1/2 a pack of **** / 3/4 gallon of fuel or 1.3 pints of beer change your life because this is the difference

In my view £124.80 is good value for money to remove that thought is this cartridge good enough for this bird .yes it might be all in the mind ! but it's worth piece of mind

Deershooter

Aye but I shoot 8 thousand a year and only one brand and type so if I shifted up I would go from £148/thou to £216/ thou and increase annually of £544... soooo I'll stick with what I shoot and not worry that I could shoot less with a more expensive cartridge and my scores?? I doubt they would change one bit due to the cartridges but the extra practice might do the trick!

 

[Hamster]

So basically we're saying that all cartridges are created equal, that regardless of powder (single or double based) , crimp regularity, shot uniformity and hardness, velocity, wad, primer, recoil, etc etc, that somehow non of that actually matters so long as you think  :rabbi:   it's as good as anything else ! Strewth. 

 

[dashman1]

Correct