Budget Cartridges

[darthmk38]

after reading all this thread, I think I will stick to Superfast.... I don't understand half of what is being said and to be honest, would rather keep it that way. I like to keep things simple and I really don't believe paying an extra £60+ per 1000 will make me hit any more clays.... Each to their own and all that.

+1, could,nt agree more, i,m convinced sports psychology was invented for clay shooters imo

 

[Sian]

Hallelujah  xD  

 

[Nick Selby]

I could do a blind test. Give me the most expensive/cheapest and give me a tricky target and I bet I'll still miss.... It might make a difference if you are at the top of the tree but would have zero effect on my score as would spending £10k on gun. But like I said, each to their own...

 

[Finners]

None of the above is convincing me to spend more than around £170-180 per 1000. Just need to find out which is best for me between Gamebore Evos (current fave) the two Hull options - Comp X and Superfast. When I have done that, that's me done.

Until next week :biggrin:

 

[jwpzx9r]

So basically we're saying that all cartridges are created equal, that regardless of powder (single or double based) , crimp regularity, shot uniformity and hardness, velocity, wad, primer, recoil, etc etc, that somehow non of that actually matters so long as you think  :rabbi:   it's as good as anything else ! Strewth.

No what I am saying when a man who is a regular winner gives me advice on two cartridges which he has used to shoot FU and tells me HE would not buy the expensive one as in HIS opinion it is no better than a cartridge that he has tested empirically ! You can rabbit on about how the componentry of the cartridge can have an effect on this that and the other. He has used them both in competition and practice and comes to his conclusion it is that simple. Note he did not tell me not to buy them he said he would not buy them, then went further and said in his opinion anybody doing so was wasting their money when they could buy the other brand the equivalent of £70/ thou cheaper. Believe me this man is a very good and competitive shooter, no world champion but very good, if he thought he would gain targets by using another cartridge then he would. He missed out on a shoot off by one target but he did assure me that cartridges are not why he did not win but to have that knowledge I think you would have to be confident in A) what you are using and B)what you can do.

No doubt some shooters require the confidence the gain from a pricier cartridge all I am saying is that is his opinion you don't have to believe him, you don't even have to care about his opinion. I do value his opinion and anybody else who an give an insight into their game and how they approach it, I am a total novice in real terms.

 

[ips]

So basically we're saying that all cartridges are created equal, that regardless of powder (single or double based) , crimp regularity, shot uniformity and hardness, velocity, wad, primer, recoil, etc etc, that somehow non of that actually matters so long as you think :rabbi: it's as good as anything else ! Strewth.

Exactly hamid.

Furthermore if it made no difference mfrs would not have budget and top end or spend money testing they would just have one model and give it to sponsored shooters.

The bottom line is top shooters shoot top cartridges because there better and they won't risk losing even one target. Those of us that adpire to getting bettet and are serious enough about our shooting think the same. When these top shooters turn up to a major with a budget model I will either change my mind or more likely think there trying to prove a point.

In all things in life quality costs and not just for pretty packaging.

 

[Gavin]

I shoot superfast for practice pro1s competition and I don't notice any difference in breaks or recoil, but I'm not going to stop buying the pro1s for the amount of competitions i shoot the saving would be f-all. But if I fail to break a target with a superfast you can be sure the pro1 would have failed too cause I missed not the cartridge, strange pricing we have in Ireland pro1s only cost me €25 more per 1000 than superfasts

 

[ips]

Without wishing to offend anyone it has been widely considered that most club shooters will not gain much by shooting expensive stuff BUT even a single missed target at a relatively high end comp because of any of the component issues hamid eluded to earlier can cost you dearly.

I have lost targets on occasions over the years by a faulty cartridge, believe it or believe it not that's up to you so I know for a fact that this can happen. Yes it can even with an expensive shell but because of quality components and quality control it's less likely and that is why anyone serious enough shoots good stuff at important comps.

 

[Nick Selby]

Just wondering but do shooters at the top of the tree shoot premium cartridges because they are maybe sponsored?.... Just a thought. Agree that 1 or 2 targets at the top can make a big difference but does it really make the difference for the masses or is it just clever marketing?.. I could wear a pair of Addidas Predetor rugby boots but I bet I couldn't kick it like Jonny Wilkinson..

 

[ips]

No it wouldn't that's my point. No top shooters generally shoot top quality sponsored or not. Has been known to spend in excess of three hundred quid per k just for selection shoots.

 

[Gavin]

Nick selby exactly. When I hear one of the best shooters in the world State on here numerous times that's it's all between the ears I think I'll take him at his word.

 

[dashman1]

Me also

 

[westley]

With the way things are heading, I believe ALL cartridges could be a 'steel'.

 

[ips]

No one is denying 90% is physiological BUT you still need confidence in equipment and that is why few if any shooters of note shoot budget. What there saying is budget is ok for the masses they don't generally include themselves.

 

[jwpzx9r]

Without wishing to offend anyone it has been widely considered that most club shooters will not gain much by shooting expensive stuff BUT even a single missed target at a relatively high end comp because of any of the component issues hamid eluded to earlier can cost you dearly.

I have lost targets on occasions over the years by a faulty cartridge, believe it or believe it not that's up to you so I know for a fact that this can happen. Yes it can even with an expensive shell but because of quality components and quality control it's less likely and that is why anyone serious enough shoots good stuff at important comps.

You would not offend me I am a club shooter as are 99% of the correspondents on this site and the OP was, I suspect, a club shooter the debate has got way beyond what any of those interested and most who are contributing in it are capable of! Lets cut to the chase the question was asked for advice not for to be told what a world championship contender is doing to achieve their goal. It went from there to shot to shot variances in mv something which neither the original poster or 99% or the other correspondents could use as valid excuse for missing a target! Now to cap it, without wishing to offend anybody, what a shooter of renown might use in a major championship...is it irrelevant if the majority of shooters on this forum could not detect the difference, regardless or what their subconscious is telling them!

I will make a comment to the original poster don't waste your money on expensive cartridges that you won't hit a single target more with buy more of your usual and practice more to achieve your goal when you get their start to think about what you are putting in the tubes. That is from a novice but not someone who is altogether stupid!

 

[ips]

Totally agree John

My point exactly.

 

[Gavin]

I hope not westley

 

[westley]

We ALL hope not.

BUT, so many hoped they would still have their handguns, so many believed that Foxhunting was going to be reinstated.

 

[Oldblaster]

Really? You are a far better shooter than you think you are ..

Not really happened on all close crossers. 

 

[Oldblaster]

You would not offend me I am a club shooter as are 99% of the correspondents on this site and the OP was, I suspect, a club shooter the debate has got way beyond what any of those interested and most who are contributing in it are capable of! Lets cut to the chase the question was asked for advice not for to be told what a world championship contender is doing to achieve their goal. It went from there to shot to shot variances in mv something which neither the original poster or 99% or the other correspondents could use as valid excuse for missing a target! Now to cap it, without wishing to offend anybody, what a shooter of renown might use in a major championship...is it irrelevant if the majority of shooters on this forum could not detect the difference, regardless or what their subconscious is telling them!

I will make a comment to the original poster don't waste your money on expensive cartridges that you won't hit a single target more with buy more of your usual and practice more to achieve your goal when you get their start to think about what you are putting in the tubes. That is from a novice but not someone who is altogether stupid!

As the original poster I totally agree, I cannot see the point in buying top range of cartridges, thats why as stated i'm looking for the right budget to mid range cartridge that suits me and my gun. But I really enjoy it when a post really generates a lot of interest, after all thats what a forum is all about!