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[teepee1234]

And another thing, if the shoots are so easy that us "lower classes" are banging in good scores, then it's absolutely logical to expect the top shooters to be straighting the entire shoot.

Or maybe we should stick to the straw balers and let the big boys have all the fun.

Or maybe there are people out there who are driven only by the need to earn prize money, and who are looking for things/people to blame when they don't.

 

[Chris B]

thats their choice, but this is after all trying to be portrayed as a sport for all. Not sure the grounds could afford to pay down to 12th the likes of Crazy Bear and Greenfield entertainments who run quality open shoots would be rubbing their hands with glee!

They are paying out more than twelve places as it is with the class payouts.

 

[optima]

so while on the topic of have they got softer or not and using westfield as a benchmark i looked back to when i started shooting clays end of 2008.

heres a few scores from shoots i shot at westfield

shoot won on 92 no other scores in the 90s i scored 61 as did clynt

A 84

B75

C74

shoot won on 91 only score in 90s I SCORED 69

A82

B83

C72

shoot won on 94 i scored 78

A 84

B78

C71

SHOOT WON ON 92 ONE OTHER ON 90 I SHOT 73

A86

B79

C67

SHOOT WON ON 89 i shot 71

A83

B81

C74

Think it took me 2 years to break the 80 mark at westfield, but look at HG and class scores and you will see they were indeed harder back then,when i finally broke the 80 mark i was chuffed cause i d worked for it.,

 

[Fuzrat]

They are paying out more than twelve places as it is with the class payouts.

but will they when 75% of their customers ie B&C class go off and shoot the opens for a small wager with their mates?

 

[Darkside]

............And for people who say its not fair, do you think its fair that a AA class shot can shoot 90 and come 4th yet receive nothing, but a C class shot can shoot 75 and get £150.

Where the hell is this??? I won the grand total of £20 for 1st in C with 82, think a few of the other C class went b/o!?!?

 

[tiptop]

There seems to be a lot of too-ing and fro-ing here but the general consensus seem to be that there should be a good mix of targets a shoots hard' medium etc it needs to accomodate all people.

One minute it should be set to encourage people in without demoralising them, then it should be that though some targets are set so only the top guns can fit them,and keep people in their place

As before horses for courses love 'em or hate 'em.

Just seem also that some people resent the lower classes(very victorian .) for trying and taking the money.

 

[Deleted member 753]

Well, well, all these negative vibes!

Just because the grounds are setting easy targets accordinging to the AA class elite!

Never thought that we would get the same mentality as the golf community!

Maybe we should have registered shoots on separate grounds for separate classes.

Sign in at different times and tents! Start at different times and play (shoot thru)

Keep the muppets away from the south park elite!

I'll get me coat! :frown:

 

[Chris B]

Where the hell is this??? I won the grand total of £20 for 1st in C with 82, think a few of the other C class went b/o!?!?

C class payout at Weston Wood, Westfield and Garlands all £150

 

[tiptop]

so while on the topic of have they got softer or not and using westfield as a benchmark i looked back to when i started shooting clays end of 2008.

heres a few scores from shoots i shot at westfield

shoot won on 92 no other scores in the 90s i scored 61 as did clynt

A 84

B75

C74

shoot won on 91 only score in 90s I SCORED 69

A82

B83

C72

shoot won on 94 i scored 78

A 84

B78

C71

SHOOT WON ON 92 ONE OTHER ON 90 I SHOT 73

A86

B79

C67

SHOOT WON ON 89 i shot 71

A83

B81

C74

Think it took me 2 years to break the 80 mark at westfield, but look at HG and class scores and you will see they were indeed harder back then,when i finally broke the 80 mark i was chuffed cause i d worked for it.,

OR HAS EVERYBODY JUST IMPROVED OVER THE YEARS.

You just said it,it took you two years to break the 80

 

[Chipper]

You,ve only got to look at martin myers 3 scores last weekend, 95,98 and 88 out of 92,you,d think not suprising really as he,s a top British shooter,but even with those scores he only won one shoot and that was by only missing 2 clays for a 98,had he missed only one more he would only have been joint first :huh: :huh:

A CLASS at these shoots won on 95,93 and 86 ex92

B class at these shoots won on 86,87 and 82 ex 92

C class at these shoots won on 81,80 and 71 ex 92.

Totally Agree with you there Optima, its just starting to get ridiculous with these scores? I no it’s nice to go to soft grounds hit big scores but reality is it just makes the sport stagnant....

 

[Deleted member 753]

Yes. Excellent, what you would expect from a Steve Lovatt shoot.

Steve does not worry if your a Muppet or from South Park!

He treats us all as paying customer and you shoot what he puts on!

 

[Fuzrat]

C class payout at Weston Wood, Westfield and Garlands all £150

Dont know what your thinking on this one is Chris, but I would much rather see a higher high gun and pay farther down the classes maybe to 5th rather than £150 1st in class then £60 £40 only down to 3rd? A tenner for 5th is at least breakfast and a bit of cake after paid for.

 

[teepee1234]

OR HAS EVERYBODY JUST IMPROVED OVER THE YEARS.

You just said it,it took you two years to break the 80

Everybody AND the equipment has improved over the years.

It took me 6 months to break the 70, and I've only done it once. I will practice and get coaching until I'm regularly in the 70's, then continue into the 80's etc etc.

Bugger the other scores, I want to improve for ME!

 

[Deleted member 753]

Totally Agree with you there Optima, its just starting to get ridiculous with these scores? I no it’s nice to go to soft grounds hit big scores but reality is it just makes the sport stagnant....

Ok Chipper, as I asked Clynt earlier. Who are the soft grounds and how are you going to change the system.

No one has still answered the question!

 

[Chris B]

Dont know what your thinking on this one is Chris, but I would much rather see a higher high gun and pay farther down the classes maybe to 5th rather than £150 1st in class then £60 £40 only down to 3rd? A tenner for 5th is at least breakfast and a bit of cake after paid for.

Yes got to agree with you on that Fuz.

 

[Chipper]

check my last few scores at westfields !!! seems I have kept at it and getting the hang of the grounds targets ??? any one can coach anybody to shoot straight at a target basic ability and reasonable gunfit will get you 70 at most soft shoots all chipper and I are saying is this .....shooting easy floppy targets will only make you able to shoot easy floppy targets, and if that's what you want, fine, we understand we are a minority in sporting for wanting to be tested by 50yd crossers,teal and loopers and not having to put up with targets that imp cyl and feltwad 8's are over gunning it .....we pay the same as you each week and may be when you have been shooting long enough your views may change. don't think it is to much to ask to have a balanced shoot with a bit for every one not 90% of the shoot for you guys .and as for scores to win never look at it that way m8 I tend to judge my score away from winner and how well I hit what I hit but I like to see clays at distance requiring good gaps and feel this is and was what a shot gun was designed to do............

Good statement made there mate, it seems we are the minority but if everyone thinks wow i hit 83 PB but High Gun is 99 or 98 its still loads of the pace ! plus the baggers are shafted into losing high 80'S or 90's to stay in the class !! ive been to many shoots last year in A class to see i need to beat 92 or 93 ! and now in AA i need to beat 98 or 97 !! its getting like skeet with these scores, i agree it would be nice to have a few stands on the shoot to sort the better shots out like 50yrd crossers or good teal (to be shot on the way up), cant understand the problem, when i was in lower classes i used to enjoy the test of the harder stands to see if my shootings improved, how can it improve shooting 10 yrd floppy targets ! we shot this weekend and was told on the battue stand at Barbury i was the only forth to straight it ?? clynt knows where coming from there ! ... reality is come the world how many guys who regulary shoot high 80's shot above 120/200 ???

 

[teepee1234]

Ok Chipper, as I asked Clynt earlier. Who are the soft grounds and how are you going to change the system.

No one has still answered the question!

As I said in a post yesterday.........I'm thinking that these issues will never be resolved. All target setters are different, all grounds have different terrain, the weather is changeable, shooters have peaks and troughs depending on many variables, the classification system will never be perfect......and you can't please all of the people all of the time.

In short, there is no solution. We'll just continue debating this subject ad infinitum.

 

[Fuzrat]

reality is come the world how many guys who regulary shoot high 80's shot above 120/200 ???

I did (128)) and apart from the Jack Pyke my pb is 79 at westfield in the prelim the day before, but i suppose that was an easy shoot too :huh:

 

[tiptop]

Paying down to 12th? why not scrap competition, classes and the prize money everybody pay birds only for a trophy as some people would like just the lowerranks to shoot for.

No money, no pressure, no worries.

 

[Deleted member 753]

Good statement made there mate, it seems we are the minority but if everyone thinks wow i hit 83 PB but High Gun is 99 or 98 its still loads of the pace ! plus the baggers are shafted into losing high 80'S or 90's to stay in the class !! ive been to many shoots last year in A class to see i need to beat 92 or 93 ! and now in AA i need to beat 98 or 97 !! its getting like skeet with these scores, i agree it would be nice to have a few stands on the shoot to sort the better shots out like 50yrd crossers or good teal (to be shot on the way up), cant understand the problem, when i was in lower classes i used to enjoy the test of the harder stands to see if my shootings improved, how can it improve shooting 10 yrd floppy targets ! we shot this weekend and was told on the battue stand at Barbury i was the only forth to straight it ?? clynt knows where coming from there ! ... reality is come the world how many guys who regulary shoot high 80's shot above 120/200 ???

So how will you change the system? No good saying the floppy targets are too easy. What would you do to change it?Still not answered the question!