Perazzi mx series

[sidney]

Engineer or not mx8 springs are a doddle, and doable well within 3 mins so frankly I find that hard to believe. Couple of practice goes and your sorted. Shoot with loads of perazzi owners, none of which have ever had a rib come off? Was it common place a few years ago? Not doubting it happened just havnt come across it myself.They all have their problems to be fair. Look at the amount of mirokus you see failing to fire certain cartridges because their firing pins are not quite long enough... I've seen plenty of that!! (Tin hat firmly strapped on!!)

 

[Les53]

Miroku is possibly like it's Japanese car manufacturer Subaru.

Brilliant in the Field or Forest, World Class, numerous Championship winner, ultra reliable , not very fashionably styled and never been bothered in in the glitzy World of Roundy Roundy where you have to have today's hi-tec to be fashionable and /or competitive.

Aha!!!! I was at a shoot yesterday, lots of DT10's, MX8's, DT11, K80 etc. The shoot was won by Dennis Stepney the gunsmith and a great shot, a man who could shoot any gun he wanted to shoot, so what gun was he using? His trusty old Miroku of course!!!!!

PS...Well done Den!!!

 

[ips]

Lets face it the best and most reliable gun ever made was beretta 682 particularly a late 80 or the original gold from mid 90. Rarely break down and if they do its only wear and tear.

End of story.

 

[Salopian]

Sidney,

 Miroku's do have a history of failing to strike the bottom barrel cartridge with a hard enough strike.

This is due to (a) A not ideal angle of hammer strike, ( B) Weak / tired hammer spring, © eroded or chipped firing pin nose.

All these issuers can be prevented by periodical maintenance.

Aagh ' I didn't know you had to look after them and get them serviced occasionally.'

 

[Growl]

Not even going to start, well apart from stating I'm not going to start....

 

[shootinguru]

Do not I repeat DO NOT! mention top lever springs and elastic bands on Miroku O/U for Gawds sake! :crazy:   :crazy:   :fie:   :fie:  

 

[Wonko the Sane]

I copied this from several earlier threads.  They're mine so I didn't use any "   " 

[SIZE=10.5pt]I would prefer to not use the word notorious in regard to Perazzi stocks cracking but it is not unknown.  I think that the heart of the problem is that most people assume that interchangeable buttstocks interchange w/out fitting.  And then since it is so easy to crank on the fixing bolt, folks do that a lot, maybe to excess.  The Perazzi actions have a proper recoil lug and it the tangs hit first then they take the recoil (and not the lug) and after a while the stock cracks at one of the tangs.  No mysteries there.  [/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]Every Beretta I've had wanted to chip off little pieces where the front of the stock engages the action.  Same prob - the ears were hitting before the recoil lug seated.  No mystery there either.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]As for designed to break springs - I must have gotten a sorry bunch cuz only one has broken in 20+ years.  So now I'm worrying - - - what happens if they don't break?!??!?![/SIZE]

MX12

[SIZE=10.5pt]Tho they look different than an MX8 on the outside , all of the fixed trigger coil spring guns since the MT6 are the same inside as the MX8 ('cept for the hammer springs, duh).  So it's not a new design, they are all just renamed MT6's.  The only update has been the bottom barrel firing pin and hammer and that was across the Perazzi board.  All retro-fittable of course.  [/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]My first ABT, OT, pigeon gun was a MT6.  Never had a problem, and never expect to since I still have the gun and still shoot it.  I even have a set of SK chokes for  it and use it for that too.  Can't imagine the MX12 being any less the gun[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]And they all are just like, well......... a Perazzi[/SIZE]

Springs

[SIZE=10.5pt]I can only relate my own situation and experience.  Like I mentioned, one broken spring in 20+yrs.  The MT6 I have was made in 1984 and I've had it since '96 IIFC.  It has a couple zillion rounds thru it and if the springs (coil) are softening it is beyond my detection.  All of the Perazzis that I've had or have were/are "pre-owned".  All now 'cept the MT6 are pre-80's guns.  Only one came to me w/ a cracked stock and none have cracked while with me.  I have purchased used and cracked stocks and the reasons I'm sure were those I already gave.  Never had a rib problem of any kind over a dozen guns.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]I'm a retired civil service person and I never was of any great means and I'm certainly not now.  If the Perazzis were as difficult to keep running as people make out I'd be in some real trouble if I kept them.  As it is, I saw little reason to thin the herd beyond that the accumulation was difficult to justify.  I don't expect that the few I'm keeping will be any kind of burden.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]I can bear being called a fan, but I'm certainly not a missionary.  Shoot whatever you like - don't mean squat to me.  And keep on with hitting the Perazzi rep - beats the prices down and maybe I'll see something I can't live w/out and be able to afford it.[/SIZE]

 

[bostonmick]

what is the reason for detatchable triggers I had them on a dt10 I owned never found any reason to remove them.

 

[ips]

Spose to be ease of maintenance and if its a perazzi so you can carry a spare unit for when the spring breaks

 

[bostonmick]

so can I take it then that factory standard mx8 and mx12 are the same fit.

 

[40UP]

Whoa Mick, they are the same shooting experience but the gun fit of every example differs as the stocks are custom made and barrels all differ in weight.

 

[bostonmick]

so all perazzi are made to fit the purchaser of the new gun from the factory

 

[40UP]

New guns are made to whatever the buyer requests for no extra cost. If they were machine made they might be identical except for the density of the wood but being hand made barrel weights differ and the stocker will adjust the balance but now you've altered the gun weight. Many barrel lengths and rib designs, different forends only the action weight is constant. You'll only be able to test fire secondhand guns so going to see a few will be a start.

 

[Hotshot100]

Spose to be ease of maintenance and if its a perazzi so you can carry a spare unit for when the spring breaks

Also a good security measure!! Ever tried firing a gun with no trigger group in place??

 

[Madmillie]

Removable trigger group really is only of any benefit to seriously competitive trap shooters who have ltd time to carry out repairs if the gun breaks down in a competition e.g. The Olympics. Trap shooters also seem to favour the v spring trigger pulls and as such if one lets go then the only quick solution is to have a drop out trigger unit.

MM

 

[Hamster]

Or shoot coil spring guns which if they do break will still work.  :hi:

 

[Madmillie]

Or shoot coil spring guns which if they do break will still work.  :hi:

Indeed so Hammy :nyam:  . But for some strange reason the v spring seems to be the spring of choice for those into trap shooting due to a perception that it feels crisper and quicker on the trigger pull. I don't shoot trap but have guns with both types of springs, P gun with coils and a Beretta with V's and I have to say the Beretta does feel very nice and almost effortless in the trigger pull dept. The P spring coils are also excellent, but not quite as nice as the the B gun V's.

MM

 

[ips]

Removable trigger group really is only of any benefit to seriously competitive trap shooters who have ltd time to carry out repairs if the gun breaks down in a competition e.g. The Olympics. Trap shooters also seem to favour the v spring trigger pulls and as such if one lets go then the only quick solution is to have a drop out trigger unit.MM

only know of two shooters who have a spare trigger unit, 40up and the great dtl shooter j stafford.

 

[shootinguru]

:fie:  The majority of shooters cannot afford a spare trigger group! :fie:   :fie:

 

[Wonko the Sane]

I may be wired strange but the fixed coils that I've had/shot all felt lighter than the V's.  Haven't shot drop out coils so can't comment on that but I'm fairly certain that they would be just fine.  Not a level of functionality that I'd worry about.

Part of that may be that since the drop out triggers are sooooooo accessible that the FIXERS are just compelled to FIX them.  But I really don't know.

Acquiring a pre-owned spare trigger is not a great sacrifice and if some care is taken they can be as good as new - OK, used new.  These days a nice one usually sells for +/-$600.  I recently scored one for $550 that had just been refurb'd by Perazzi USA and it is like new for 1/3 to 1/4 the price.  Not a common item but far from rare.

Not sure why my need for spares persists since I've only broken one spring in the last 15 or so years.  But ya never know, eh?